W, why double U?

I can’t believe I’m First again.
I just walked into the house
and by luck as it were, bingo!
This is gonna be a good lesson

The first word that comes to mind is “Ow”.

Also, I remember back in elementary school, we were taught to write the lower-case “W” with rounded bottoms (while the upper case “W” are pointed), so it is a literal “Double U”.

tour, sour, Jack Bauer

Is this HotForLetters? I don’t know what I am watching! :mrgreen:

Stay tuned, I will fill you in.
Check my comment in a few minutes up above.

In a weird way… saying “doubleU” is a word!, but a letter sounded into a word. :razz:

The best lesson eVer… :razz: tower :???: Tower of Power – What Is Hip…………………………lower, she said to her loVer :-)

hour, our, Eddie Bauer :?:

Marina, is this the video you promised to make after
you made the Molotov cocktail video on May 5, 2008?

The Molotov cocktail video is one of my favorite videos. I love watching this video. At the end of the Molotov Cocktail video (3:00), Marina says;

“I decided to do a whole video… you see,
we don’t have the double-u sound in Russian,
so… for us it’s really hard to pronounce
the double-u sound. Brrrrr”

I love that video. I can finally go to sleep now.
I’ve been staying up all night wondering when Marina
was going to do this video. A few weeks shy of
two years. Finally, I can get some sle… oh wait….
there are a few other videos I’m getting sleepless
nights about. :lol:

Molotov Cocktail (on this site)
http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/05/05/molotov-cocktail/

GTA IV in Russian! (on YouTube)

Looks like I forgot to put in “ouch”. One of those “tip of the tongue” moments.

Come to think of, where does [tip of the tongue] originate from? I’m getting a picture of a word at the edge of a diving board afraid to jump after seeing how far down the pool is.

ghoul :?:

:| Y asked Y & between U & M(e) got it squared 2
Let X = X

an X is two V’s kissing :oops:

MisFiTs Ghouls Night Out :cool:

Or two angle brackets kissing.
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ask W: Y R U doubling as a double V when you’re actually 2U’s(?)

With or Without U (that is the question)

:o Goodness! Thnxs Karl! now I’ll be thinking about this for the next 12 hours or so

:shock: INXS

Homework:
What is another word where the the letter “u” sounds like a double-u.

The island of Kauai the oldest and fourth largest island of the Hawaiian islands chain.

The dictionary shows the pronunciation as:
[kah-oo-ah-ee] or [kou-ahy]
and I think there should not be a double-u sound if pronounced correctly, but, most people pronounce the word Kauai if if there were a “w” in the word.

P.S.
Reply to tweet regarding, “What Would Be Your Dream Romantic Weekend Getaway?” Kauai of course, which I have been to.

Ooooh, good song

:smile: maui waui – just some vacation pics

Good one GP! Love that song. One of my favs.

Oh fantastic! I’ve been wondering that for years! I feels so much better. I think I’ll be able to sleep better at night. No more stressing about the Double U! :mrgreen:

Dear Marina,
Thank you, you lovely and beautiful person, for another video this Saturday. :razz:
I had this dream about Beautiful Marina. We were at her place, and Красивейшая Марина slapped her ass and asked me, “Do you think my ass is fat?” Well, Marina is very slender so I said, “No. Nyet. Как персик.”
Then Marina lifted the bottom of her Tee Shirt, slapped her lower abdomen, and asked, “Do you think my belly is fat?” Well, Marina has less than an inch of fat on her belly, which is way below average, so I said, “No. Nyet. Как персик.”
Then Marina went to her kitchen and brought me a peach. She said, “I’m going to change my shirt. I’ll be back, soon.”
Well, the peach was clean, ripe, and smelled delicious. I took a bite and it was sweet, and delicious, the best peach you can get from California. In a few minutes, I ate the entire peach and used my handkerchief to wipe away the juices. I put the peach pit in my pocket, to get it out of the way.
Marina came back, wearing a new dress, and she looked beautiful! I told her the peach was delicious and she smiled. I got this sudden thought, so I asked, “Я смотрю тучным?”
And Marina pointed ay my round belly and said, “Да. Как персик.” :razz:

Arnold Schwarzenegger told the story that when he learned English, he had to practice saying, “Fine wines grow on vines. That’s because the F, V, and W are pronounced much differently in German. In fact the German word for wine (“wein”) is pronounced like “vine” in English.

If the Russians didn’t have a “W” sound, I wonder how they ordered Winchester rifles? (I won’t laugh if you say “wideo.”) :razz:

More examples of words in which the “U” has a “W” sound: Query, queer, quiet, flour, flourescope, quit, and quarrel.
Seesixcm6

Yeah!
So far, the two of us clicked on the Facebook thumb below the video.

That’s because we are very active students. :smile:

I clicked on it, but didn’t like what came up so I unclicked it. :???:

Dour and dower :mrgreen:
Beau-doe-dee-oh-doe :cool:

Sorry I have to let you know…….a “W” or double U’s are low hanging hooters….!

Sorry I have to let you know…….a “W” or double U’s are low hanging hooters….! Also, the Hawaiian language uses V sound for W….. so it is really Havaii! you would fit right in Marina…. Aloha Nui

Always wondered. Now I am enlightened.

Hello my teacher :grin: . I am wondering about the word[check] [hip check]? You know when a girl hits someone on the hip with her hip because she didn’t like what they said or when they are being cheeky or flirty. Or when Hockey players slam another player into the glass or wall with their hip. Why is that called a check?

And Marina, your English is cute, often sexy, and always endearing.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=319014&id=100000142801437&fbid=121040424577384#!/photo.php?pid=31037773&id=1119393802

:idea: :idea: :idea:

http://damnneargeni.us/

Hmmm… Whoops! Forgot to go back and follow-up on that other one. Since you’re moving to Malibu I was also going to suggest you stop by and check out my half-sister’s rock-n-rock/dadaism couture boutique…but then it occurred to me that might not leave a accurately representative impression. Hmmm…. TBD

It’s so cute when you laugh at yourself, Marina! HW: Puerile Here’s the other way around: Vacuum has a double ‘u’ that doesn’t sound like ‘w.’ http://www.motifake.com/miss-me-yet-not-mine-came-in-an-email-but-had-to-post-demotivational-poster-71856.html

Heya Marina,

I just like to say I love what you have done to the website, it looks sweet :D

Also congratulations for reaching 300,000,000 views, that is an awesome achievement.

Thank you for covering the subject of “W” as I also found it a bit weird. Which brings me to a [word/letter request]. I was wondering since you research the origin of the word/letter &/ampersand, I was wondering you could do the same for the letter/word @ as in at.

It gets used a lot in email addresses, twitter comments, and also used in electric typewriters. I am curious as to when ‘@’ was first used, and how ‘@’ meant ‘at’.

I appreciate any feedback from readers, and hopefully with enough requests, we can get this one solved by our trusty teacher :)

Maybe some one had [dyslexia] when looking at the V letter kind of like the U.S. government looking at what they are going to face in court and still thinking I am not getting millions. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

Oh Marina bye the way I still love your tits!!!! :cool: :cool: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Hi kaibanator,
Since the site has had a lot of new changes, you can now update your avatar on this site. Click on your name, then click Profile, then click change avatar. You can then upload an image.

You are right stigmatasaurus, about Marina laughing at herself or having her crack up. Makes my day.

Check this out. This is just one example of
Marina cracking herself up.

To my most dearest hotforwords Hottie Girl!

Marina – you are too funny! This is obviously a much earlier lesson that you wanted to entertain us with, while you are still tweaking things out here! Hmmmm – I “Vonder” how many more lessons you have like that!

;)

As for my homework (which I never do because iStinky) I would have to say that some of the words with U that sound like W would be the following:

– Queer
– Queen
– Quick
– Quiet
– Quorum
– Quite
– and my most favorite one…Quiff!

Which reminds me once again!

[Fart], [Cut the cheese], [droppin' ass], [beaver], [stinky buttgas], and of course [quiff].

As always, your faithfully,

iluv2cutfarts

USA

P.S. I drank lots of beer watching the boxing on HBO tonight! hehehehe – tomorrow should be fun!

:mrgreen:

Dear Teacher,

There is disagreement out there whether [chick] is a derogatory term. Can you clarify for us?

ps. Sorry, my dog ate the homework. :(

Wow. Time machine-like motivational posters. Reminds me of a segment idea I wrote for the Colbert Report where he goes on a mission to collect…

Nevermind.

Very cool collection Karl.

It’s like she has the biggest fan club in history.

Wodka

“Ainamals” I know its not a V or a W, but its just so damn cute. That, and the eye roll at 2:15 I know, I’m sorry, I’ll stop now.

Do you have a glass of Vater?

Vhat?

“Ainamals”

I love that SNAFU lesson.
By the way, I have the original uncensored version that Marina originally uploaded. Much better uncensored. :grin:

Now that the question about “W” is cleared up. How about those silent letters. What is their point?

I have a story about this one. I walk into See’s Candy, (my wife is addicted to it, so I am there every week), anyway I see the same See’s female counter help all the time. So one day I am feeling a bit frisky, I open the stores door and say, “how are the See’s Chicks today”. Bad move. One of the female counter help went off, customers and everything. Not to mention she never spoke to me again, she finally got canned thanks to the economy. The fact that it was Easter week never entered her mind I guess. Now I am very politically correct when I address known and suspected tight-a#@ed female counter help.

Hi mrbbishop,
It’s funny you should mention that as, I think it was Evan who just recently made mention of that on one of the earlier video pages and I think Marina may have mentioned it on one of her video lessons. I’ll have to find one of the videos where Marina mentions a silent letter.

In most if not all cases, the silent letters are carried over from foreign words such as French, German and many other languages where the silent letters are pronounced in the original foreign language, but not in English.

For example, in the word knight, the letter “k” is silent, but in the German word “Knecht”, the letter “k” is pronounced. There is a word or several words for this carryover of letters from foreign words. I forget what it is. I’m thinking of vestige, vestigal or orphaned letters. aLx would know for sure.

Seems answers.com has something on it.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_'w'_sound_like_'weh'_but_not_'double_you'_in_words

Screwed up link.
Copy & paste whole link in google, click from there…

People should not ridicule Marina for her shortcomings.
Mispronunciation is no laughing matter.
It really isn’t.
No, REALLY! (aLx will like this one)
Of course, Hieroglyphics came before letters and even runes.
Double U.
Double trouble.

I do have a good question for one of your videos. Why is it that the letter [Y] is labeled a consonant, but often used as a vowel? I know you’re probably sick of doing letters by now, but technically Y can be used as a conjunction in Spanish right? lol

Dear Teacher,
Allright, fun homework! Let’s see now:
I’d like to give you a SHOUT OUT ABOUT how PROUD I am of your work; I TOUT you LOUDLY to the point of HAUGHTINESS to all of my friends. Your work has not been for NAUGHT; you have BROUGHT me great joy with all you have TAUGHT me. I LAUD you for your accomplishments. I don’t know how Matt LAUER (reach) feels; He’s a bit DOUR, or at least SOUR, possibly even a FRAUD. And did I mention how cute your TAUT little tummy is?
Well, I had best shut up and go work. After a DROUGHT so bad the TROUT were learning to walk, it’s now raining. Think I’ll go inside and clean the GROUT in my bathroom. And I never laugh at your pronounciations; with that accent, it’s cute.
Love to Teacher,
xoxodc

Hi Dalek,
Sometimes it is not possible to paste a link directly into the text box, especially when the link contains complex formatting as does the link from Answers.com. If you see it messing up, then you have 5 minutes to edit your comment by placing the link in an HTML tag shown just above the comment box

I believe this is the link you were trying to post.

Good question. In French “Y” is called “Greek I” and is therefore a vowel. Soon I expect Evan Owen to confirm that “W” is also a vowel in Welsh – it’s logical because “U” is a vowel, so why wouldn’t 2x”U” also be a vowel.
In other languages, for example Thai, the “W” letter “ว” can also be used as a vowel, so there is a lot of confusion about marginal cases of vowel/consonant.
Maybe we need a third class of letter, a kind of unisex consowel.

the sound that is represented by the letter “w” in the english language is called a “glide” or “semivowel”.;)

Funny you mention ow.. I just recorded a video on that which will be going up shortly :-)

Thanks for the link, aLx; that was interesting, if also headache inducing. I shall have to study it several more times before I fully understand it.

Bob the third one was hucking filarious! :lol:

How about a Wolks Vagen. You know the bunch puggy. :lol:

I agree Rick. Olga Kay “who is also Russian” is taking voice lessons to help her sound more like an American. I love Marina’s accent.

In German W is pronounced like V so WWW sounds like vey vey vey.

Thanks PedanticKarl,

I accepted your request and got to tinker around with my avatar :)

Apropos of nothing, here is a funny Russian map of Europe, pre-WWI judging by the borders. :grin:

Hey! We could save a lot of time pronouncing URLs by saying “wee wee wee” instead of “doubleyoudoubleyoudoubleyou.” :lol:

In the 1960s, we used to say “veewee” as short for Volkswagen. :grin:

Oy vey! :razz:

I think I’m going to start posting the song that pops into my head when I first open my eyes in the morning.
This was song the started playing in my head the second I opened my eye this morning- Tomorrow Morning

Homework: “U” making a “W” sound:

Уэльс? :???: :razz:

Tomorrow Morning

Уэльс (валл. Cymru [ˈkÉ™mrɨ], англ. Wales [ˈweɪlz], в старой русской передаче — Валлис…

Apparently the Russians changed their name for Wales because they kept confusing the country with a piece of hand luggage. :mrgreen:

[valise] :grin:

Happy ANZAC Day, Mate.

VWs have Va Va Voom, wouldn’t you say?

What’s aLx doing to Chemikal, and what’s Chemikal doing with that fish? :mrgreen:

Amazing how many old fans are showing up to see the re-designed fans…I even caught a glimpse of Mijj! :razz:

Mellow! :grin:

Um, Chemikal IS “that fish.” :shock:

Boogitty-Boogitty-Boogitty and Hook ‘Em, ya’ll!

Talledega and ‘Horns baseball. Ya’ll have a great afternoon (or great whatever, depending on where you are.)

See you later.

Hello Marina :) i have very nice word for You :*

The longest official word ever (1,913 letters) is the term for the formula C1289H2051N343O375S8

[Methionyl­glutaminyl­arginyl­tyrosyl­glutamyl­seryl­leucyl­phenyl­alanyl­alanyl­glutaminyl­leucyl­lysyl­glutamyl­arginyl­lysy­glutamyl­gycyl­alanyl­phenyl­alanyl­valyl­prolyl­phenyl­alanyl­valyl­threonyl­leucyl­glycyl­aspartyl­prolyl­glycyl­isoleucyl­glutamyl­glutaminyl­seryl­leucyl­lysyl­isoleucyl­aspartyl­threonyl­leucyl­isoleucyl­glutamyl­alanyl­glycyl­alanyl­aspartyl­alanyl­leucyl­glutamyl­leucyl­glycyl­isoleucyl­prolyl­phenyl­alanyl­seryl­aspartyl­prolyl­leucyl­alanyl­aspartyl­glycyl­prolyl­threonyl­isoleucyl­glutaminyl­asparaginyl­alanyl­threonyl­leucyl­arginyl­alanyl­phenyl­alanyl­alanyl­alanyl­glycyl­valyl­threonyl­prolyl­alanyl­glutaminyl­cysteinyl­phenyl­alanyl­glutamyl­methionyl­leucyl­alanyl­leucyl­isoleucyl­arginyl­glutaminyl­lysyl­histidyl­prolyl­threonyl­isoleucyl­prolyl­isoleucyl­glycyl­leucyl­leucyl­methionyl­tyrosyl­alanyl­asparaginyl­leucyl­valyl­phenyl­alanyl­asparaginyl­lysyl­glycyl­isoleucyl­aspartyl­glutamyl­phenyl­alanyl­tyrosyl­alanyl­glutaminyl­cysteinyl­glutamyl­lysyl­valyl­glycyl­valyl­aspartyl­sryl­valyl­leucyl­valyl­alanyl­aspartyl­valyl­prolyl­valyl­glutaminyl­glutamyl­seryl­alanyl­prolyl­phenyl­alanyl­arginyl­glutaminyl­alanyl­alanyl­leucyl­arginyl­histidyl­asparaginyl­valyl­alanyl­prolyl­isoleucyl­phenyl­alanyl­isoleucyl­cysteinyl­prolyl­prolyl­aspartyl­alanyl­aspartyl­aspartyl­aspartyl­leucyl­leucyl­arginyl­glutaminyl­isoleucyl­alanyl­seryl­tyrosyl­glycyl­arginyl­glycyl­tyrosyl­threonyl­tyrosyl­leucyl­leucyl­seryl­arginyl­alanyl­glycyl­valyl­threonyl­glycyl­alanyl­glutamyl­asparaginyl­arginyl­alanyl­alanyl­leucyl­leucyl­lysyl­glutamyl­tyrosyl­asparaginyl­alanyl­alanyl­prolyl­prolyl­leucyl­glutaminyl­glycyl­phenyl­alanyl­glycyl­isoleucyl­seryl­alanyl­prolyl­aspartyl­glutaminyl­valyl­lysyl­alanyl­alanyl­isoleucyl­aspartyl­alanyl­glycyl­alanyl­alanyl­glycyl­alanyl­isoleucyl­seryl­glycyl­seryl­alanyl­isoleucyl­valyl­lysyl­isoleucyl­isoleucyl­glutamyl­glutaminyl­histidyl­asparaginyl­isoleucyl­glutamyl­prolyl­glutamyl­lysyl­methionyl­leucyl­alanyl­alanyl­leucyl­lysyl­valyl­phenyl­alanyl­valyl­glutaminyl­prolyl­methionyl­lysyl­alanyl­alanyl­threonyl­arginyl­serine.]

have fun with this word :)
I hope You will try :):*
Cya :*

¡Tú y yo sabemos que sí! :grin:

OK.. alx.. the links now work.

Do replies take longer than comments?

In dutch you just pronounce it “wee”, instead of “double u”. Why didn’t they just adopt one of the names for “w” from another language, instead of constructing “double u”?

If you make a video request of it in which you pronounce it in a single breath, she might. :razz:

cool.

wha…?

hehe:P i still trying do this :P

Mercy, Marina, whatever you just did TOTALLY resolved the delay issue we talked about last night. THANK YOU, DARLIN’!!! :grin:

Whoops! 0% for geography.
OK, What are the Welsh doing up Britannia’s skirts? :razz:

[POSITIVE]

[NEGATIVE]

[GLEEK]

The link is fixed for future comments in the activity stream… I don’t believe it fixes the older items. I am becoming quite the COMPUTER PROGRAMMER! I made my first ticket over at BuddyPress!!

http://trac.buddypress.org/ticket/2342

Cool huh? I actually got the info from someone over in the BuddyPress forums and cut and pasted it.. but he told me to make a ticket so I did!

I only got as far as picturing Marina dressed in a diphthong and doing something rhotic. :shock: :oops: :mrgreen:

In truth, a crwth! :mrgreen:

Not fixed.. more tests

[antipodal]…[WAD]…wadding and watch me waddle…[bundle]

good morning

:smile:

test

Ok Marina, lets see if HotForWords is able to “dig” up :lol: the meaning of the phrase {don’t yank my chain}. If you are successful you will also find the {honeypot} at the end of the “tunnel”.

Good luck my dear teacher. :razz:

more tests

:cool: WoW :!: What a Wonderful & aWesome lesson :!: :grin:

One more test

lol. way to go. good job, i suppose. was he too lazy to do it himself?:P

test back—Putin it in English: PM shows language skills at judo championships in Vienna …the “v” and the “w” pronouced!

:smile: is this what we should learn?…thank you :smile:

And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda… :cry:

Dunno, but looks like someone’s trying to raise her Eire! :mrgreen:

Of course, many letters now silent were once pronounced in Old English. In some cases the earlier pronunciations are preserved in Scots Dialect, as in “brecht moonlecht necht” for “bright moonlight night.” :grin:

We should ponder that a wee bit! :razz:

Welcome back blondie!Good lesson :!: My avatar still hasn’t changed , even though I updated it!Can you please help me Marina?Thank you!

Hello thematrix75,
I see that your avatar is coming from the Gravatar site. There is a known issue with some of the images being updated from that site. Marina is aware of this.

You can now add an avatar image on this site.
Click on your name to go to your Activity channel.
Then, click on the Profile link.
Then, click on Change Avatar, which will allow you to upload an image.

Quick reply test again… I changed something.

Another final test

Dear Teacher you are the Queen of words
any request will be easily solved
without a quaver and as good as gold
exquisitely quickly and quite hot :grin:

I can’t find Wells on your map :mrgreen:
anyway
with Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson is the same story
we still have two versions of Dr. Watson
(Vatson and Uotson) :grin:

Thanks for your reply. Just when I think my cleverness is too hopelessly obscure, someone wit shows up who obviously gets it — and then tops it! :grin:

Marina, that is way cool – computer programmer and that ticket. I love it!!!

By the way, I don’t know if you know this or not, but in general, it has been shown that the best computer programmers are actually Liberal Arts students as opposed to Math or Science students. The students who specialize in subject matter that relates to words or languages make the best programmers. So, you are a natural at it. :smile:

From my experience, people that live in a predominantly auditory world, that is, their predominant sense is through hearing versus visual, those people tend to shy away from computers in general.

Thank you for all your replies :smile:

I don’t know if he was lazy or if he was just showing a newbie like me how to use the ticket system.. I’m glad he did because now I know how that whole process works! :idea:

Hi Marina,
My Russian friend asked me about W also. Her question was, all letters in our alphabet have a sound. A sound as in Apple, Z as in Zebra, N as in Name.
But W, We say the letter differnt than the sound in the word.

So, Marina… explain this one.

Marina, speaking of the letter “W”, maybe you should invent
a new letter, the 27th letter of the alphabet and
charge people for using it. LOL
Reference this idea from David S. Samuels who
commented on your video on Facebook.

Watch the video entitled, “Scarlet Letter”
http://www.koldcast.tv/video/the_scarlet_letter

So therein lies my problem, PK? :grin:

I didn’t know it was pronounced double u, I thought it was dub a u.

Hey Marina – you were going to do this topic a year or so ago – er – then I posted a lot about it – which was sort of annoying I guess for you. Glad to see you got around to it :mrgreen:

Nick

Some people DO say “dub a u”. Texans, of course, say dubya. :razz:

We tawlk real purty down heah. :grin:

“Another final test…” Oxymoron? :razz:

[diphthong]
[rhotic]

After watching this again, I have concluded that one of you is just not enough. So how about a double you, la-la-li-la :mrgreen:

I also want to thank pedanticKarl for answering my question.

Maybe the W should be shaped like 2 Us linked to each other ;-)

Hey PK

Yeah that’s it, might have been how I laid out the comment, I used the html tag first this did not work, went to the edit box, comment did not display had to try a couple of times, when it showed up tag was not completely there tried again did not work so I pulled the tags out and tried it direct as you see it only grabbed part of it, went back to edit box to change and did not display the comment again. by then I was out of time and shit out of luck. Lol oh well…

maybe we can clone her, one for each of us…

The Other-Beware of Ghouls

ROOBUHDOOBUHDOO

I is fixin’ ta makes me sum Q! Brisket, Sausage, Ribs and Beans (of course!). Texas Toast and Sweet Tea!

:mrgreen:

Oh yeah…Lots of Atomic Buffalo Turds too!

Hi folks, what’s new? Has Marina changed anything since I have been gone. I noticed the Gravatars are gone under the thumbs up thingy right above where it says Tags.

Mike, if you are referring to the Facebook thumbs up button,
the reason that you may not see the avatars below it is
because you may not be logged into Facebook. I saw the
same thing as you did and once I logged into Facebook,
they showed up. Once the icons show up, notice that
my avatar is different up above than here. Above, the
avatar is from Facebook. If you see my name or
someone else’s, click it and it takes you to Facebook.

Oh ok thanks Karl.

Hi Roland,
Earlier this morning, Dalek submitted a link in his post below regarding the question you are asking. I helped him with the link.
Here is the Answer.com article regarding the pronunciation differences for the letter “W”.

Here is the link from the comments below

Welsh and “W”:

cwgn • cwm • drwg • dwr • ffwrn • gwddf • hwb • llwch • mwg

W: the letter that made written Welsh possible! :lol:

Hello

Karl is ahead of the game, even if there is no game! :mrgreen: :grin:

Sorry Nick! I made the video a little while ago and didn’t post it because I thought it was too confusing! BUt I said.. what they heck.. I NEED to post it.. so I did FINALLY!

I saw a documentary this weekend that explained that phrase.

After watching this lesson, I am now curious why 18th century printers used an “f” instead of an “s.”

Another great lesson Marina thank you.

That’s because Karl has MAD game! Unlike my Lakers who went down in Game 2 quicker than a $2 retread on a $4 truck.

:(

When letters attack!

As usual my favorite teacher has taught me something today. I always thought the u part of ‘double u’ was because of the way w appears in cursive.

I thought that this might have been the misfits, they sure sound a lot like them. Good song though and Boris rules! :cool:

So now I am curious, Marina. Are you a blonde or a brunette??

Look closely at the old book: there’s no cross-piece on the so-called “f” that they used for an “s”. That’s how to tell the two letters apart. Also, the final “s” was written the modern way, hence “progrefs.” Perhaps they were mimicking the Greek pattern of using a different style of “sigma” for the end of the word. (Σ and σ normally, C and Ï‚ at the end of words.) :smile:

[postponing]…Quoteâ– ”While we are postponing, life speeds by.” – Seneca 3BC – 65AD

Leo – is [Postponing] anything like fartfarting?

:mrgreen:

Brunette, I must say, you have one talented gravatar. :mrgreen:

Keep your banana in yer pants! She’s a TRUE Blonde!

:mrgreen:

But my peel is already broken! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

This link shows a table of symbols used on aviation weather maps for various types of clouds.
Notice the symbols for Altocumulus and Cirrocumulus cloud types which use a double U element. These symbols have some racy nicknames among the aviation community, such as:-
Altocumulus, thin, semitransparent. = strippers panties.
Altocumulus, thin, patches. = strippers pasties.
Altocumulus, bands and thickening. = sports bra.
Altocumulus, double layered. = wonderbra.
Altocumulus, spreading from Cumulus. = A fairy sitting on a toadstool.

Todays “Song at Dawn” is, The Soripions – Holiday

Let me take you far away,
you’d like; a Hol- i- day.

Wah – I can’t remember the BBcode to go directly to a YouTube video time index… :roll:

I’ve got to admit, that is a bit freaky.

To link to:-
A specific comment – url/#commentxxxxxxx
A specific point in Youtube video – url/&start=xx (where =xx is seconds)
or url/#t=MmSSs (e.g. #t=2m20s)

Hwk: Ewe, I’d rather count sheep than do homework. In German it’s doublev. I’ve got to start my things with two u’s and two o’s… :roll:

Make it plural & add an s.

Hi okay4now,
If you are wondering about your gravatar which you had showing a week or so ago, the new site update has some issues with the gravatar pickup of the images. You can add an avatar image on this site now. Click on your name which will take you to your Activity Channel, then click the Profile link, then click the Change Avatar link, which will allow you to upload an image.

Thanks Karl! This Gravatar majically seems to match my soul though. How’d they do that?

Ahhh, what you are saying is that
your gravatar is Okay 4 Now. :lol:

I think the gravatar site creates the “monster like” images randomly. They probably have a library of hundreds of body parts and then when you signed up some time ago, they randomly assembled an image which became your gravatar. The theme of those avatars is “monster” which you can see in the URL of the image. It’s possible that instead of picking random body parts, they could have various body parts grouped by alphabet and so, as you say, the image of the gravatar matches your soul. :smile:

MeLikaDoTheChaCha,
FYI, when using the time code suffix, #t=2m20s you will get
different results based on the browser you are using.
If you are publishing the URL with time code, to ensure
that it works for everyone, ensure that you use
two characters for each time element.

Example:
#t=2m20s May not work for all browsers
#t=02m20s Should work for every browser. Notice the addition of the leading zero for 2m

P.S.
Just a thought; I think closing the spaces
on your name looks better besides preventing
the last Cha from being over the date.

The Groovie Ghoulies I wonder if “Patchouli” is acceptable for home work.

Marina, you are somewhat responsible for the recent increase in earthquake.

Apparently

it’s also call a double “v” in french

Oh that girl is so vitty. ;-)

OK Marina, good lesson (wonder when it was filmed).. But, does this apply to french where they pronounce it ” double vay ” (double v)?

I asked Marina this on twitter…. She said she is bald.

That new grav makes it harder to find your posts when I scroll through, either change it or make your gravatar 700 times bigger :)

Thank you

James

PK, WordPress has built-in selection of default avatars to chose from. http://wpcom.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/avatar-options.jpg

:smile:

Word Request: [Murphy's law] :roll:

I freaking Second that motion to request [Murphy's law]!!! I use that term all the time. It happens to me so much that I’m about to renaming it Jack’s Law. :roll:

hahaha I noticed that too. I guess her secret is out now.

hahah I saw that. :lol:

Yeah much has changed. You now have to clean up after Gorby, Scrub M’s bathroom, Take out the trash, wash the Porsche (no you can’t drive it), get coffee… No wait.. That Pk job. Pk is the coffee/water boy and bottle washer. PT, well I don’t know what he’s doing. My job is tougher though. I have to throw pink rose peddles everywhere M walks. I do the deep tissue massages (including feet) with vanilla body oil. Picking out here cloths for the day (she changes 3 times a day). Oh I think M said you get to feed her grapes on Thursdays. At least that’s one job to look forward to.

If you look at here photos when she was a kid you’ll see her natural color. ;-)

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I saw that you used it, where do you think I got the idea? :lol:

Yeah – who the heck is Murphy?! Someone should go kick his butt!

:mrgreen:

I’m very impressed. You’re becoming a little coder. :mrgreen: Did you know I learned some English grammar from computer programming?

Creating tickets is the best way to get coders to fix things. I’ve created many tickets is the Virtual Reality world of “Second Life” They have a very elaborate ticket system. I find it harder just to find out where to write the ticket. It’s so rewarding when they close the ticket and you see the new fix. You feel like your part of creation of the software.

I’ve had similar success with the site Teach Street. They made major changes to their site and services from my suggestions. There Pro account was brought on from one of my suggestions.

Great job M. Keep up the great work! I know you can do great things.

Oh, ok heheheh :oops: :oops: :oops: I was thinking that I email that phrase to Marina a few times but wasn’t sure if I typed it here. Thanks for bring up the phrase. Maybe we can pressure her to investigate it.

Once in awhile I thought of what words should be on my tombstone if I ever had one. Murphy’s law would be in there somewhere for sure. :|

I thought it Murphy from the movie RoboCop! :-)

Vait, vhat?
Oh, I get it! :-)

PD, that’s a great Vord Request! :cool:

Bob, did you memorize all that?
I never suspected that you were more of an internet geek than I am. :-)
Don’t get me wrong… I’m jealous! :grin:

Quick question:
“More ___ than me” or “More ___ than I”?

But it’s cool!
It looks like he posted his message on Cha 26, 2010. :D

Vhy, Sank You Chem. :mrgreen:

Don’t you be Vorrying, it Vill come soona razer dan late-ta. You Vill see. ;-)

More the Merrier! ARRRRR :twisted:
Sorry, couldn’t resist.

Have you ever been tickled to the point where your laughing expresses only your pain? :idea:

That question make me feel uncomfortable just reading it.
I am extremely ticklish and sometimes its just damn pain!
Why am I even answering this question? :roll:

Don’t you know?
No pain, no game! :-)

OK, this really isn’t important enough to send through the business form, so here goes:
I’d like to feature Marina’s image on my site, that I built as an assignment for class. I don’t imagine it’s a problem, but since the teacher told us to ask for permission before using material from any other website, I’ll go ahead and ask Marina if I can use her image just for decorative purposes on my site. :D
If she doesn’t respond, I’ll take it as a yes. Muhaha… lol.
Wow, that was easy.
{ self amazed }

Oh, if you feel like dropping by, this is the link:
Questionnaire
To see the photo of Marina, you must press the Send button, located on the bottom of the page. You do not need to complete the form, because you want to get a naughtyfication screen telling you that you did not fill in certain fields.
Tell me if the effect she has is positive. I imagine the picture should wake up the user that would fill in the form, but misses some of the questions.

You will notice that I managed to “convince” iJustine to pose for me on the homepage, in roughly the same manner as above. :mrgreen:

Hi, @Chemikal! no picture of Marina came up?

good luck and happy learning with your project

:cool:

Hi Leonard, I see you have completed the form. I did not use the picture to appear upon completion. I actually make it appear when the user does NOT fill in the first, second and 7th questions. Try pressing Send while the form is blank, that will work, as long as you don’t write anything in it. :-)
Thanks for taking an interest.

ok… fine and dandy :razz: http://sebastianweb.biz.nf/thisisperl.pl I woked! :lol:

That’s awesome! Go ahead and use it!

Thank you, Marina. ;-)
As Yoda would put it:
“Awesome it is.
Use it I will!”

hey Chemikal ;-)

that is a GREAT shot of Marina :shock:

tnx :roll: :cool: B.B. :mrgreen:

HAHAHA! That’s Marina? It looks like a psycho blonde to me!

:lol:

:razz:

:mrgreen:

Teach, you probably can not duplicate that pose :lol:

:twisted: really scarry :evil: BOO :!:

:cool: B.B. :cool:

It’s really expressive, isn’t it… :-)

And the only difference being that now she is a brunette. I don’t think the psycho part has changed much since then. :-)

To my most dearest hotforwords Hottie Girl!

Marina – because I am a frightfully ill-mannered harpy and a vapid, blood-freezing obfuscation of all that is good, I did a lil’ research and came up with a word for you to reference a good bitch!

Пукание BITCH!

:mrgreen:

“your gravatar is Okay 4 Now”
That made me crack up instantly! :lol:
You’d think I’d develop immunity to such jokes by now, but I’m hopeless. :D

:cry: aw, shucks.

:smile: how do you like your psycho
in blonde or brunette :?:

HAHAHA! She’s got the good kinda fun and crazy stuff going on (regardless of hair color).

:mrgreen:

I haven’t heard that in years. Beautiful rendition. :cry: is right.

And where would I find those photos? Do I look for Marina Orlova or Marina Rodina, since that is what her name used to be?

Hi nyroadrage,
Marina has been very generous with photos of her childhood. Those photos appear in many of her 2008 videos and some in 2009. Being a Twitter follower of Marina, has been a walk through an exciting history of Marina’s life as she posts many great photos on Twitpic.

There is some loss of context since Marina’s tweet is not associated with the photos, other than what people are saying in the comments. Notice my comment in the second photo which does provide the context of Marina’s tweet. There are also younger photos of Marina. Go through the list of photos which can take some time.

Here are just two examples of many photos.
The day Marina left Russia.
http://twitpic.com/20fuu

Marina tweeted about her hair & driver’s license:
http://twitpic.com/h98xm

This is actually kind of funny, but she looks like a girl I know in that second picture!

:shock:

James, my guess is that the video above was filmed around June 2009 plus or minus a month or so. That was during the time of the blackboard and headband video time frames of which there are many videos. Of course, I could be way off.

:grin: Patchouli playing Patchouli :???: Perfume Review :?: I’m lost on the homework :roll:

The Groovie Ghoulies are groovy :cool:

No, Chemi, I’m not that smart; I’m only smart enough to have created a text file with such things stored in it so I can cut and paste them when I need them.
As Albert Einstein said, “The secret of success is knowing, where to find information and how to use it.”

Thanks for looking that up PK. I searched and couldn’t find her other picts. She even has one of her holding a cat. There are also some of her with girl friends. :smile:

OK, I don’t see where anyone has asked the obvious question:

Why do Germans pronounce “W” as “V”? Why do they not use “v” instead of “w” to spell such good German words as wild, Wind, West, und Winter? :???:

Marina, I was reading about the new President Yanukovich of Ukraina, who has stated that the Holodomir (i.e., famine in the 1930′s) was not the USSR ethnically cleansing the Ukrainians, but rather the USSR mistreating the Soviet citizens in general. I have a feeling that what is going on is that he wants to “brown nose” the Russian leaders, so that Ukraine can get a good deal on Russian oil & gas, and perhaps some financial aid to its former brother SSR.

So what is the origin of this term {brown nose}? What is it’s real equivalent in Russian?

Evan, I’m bringing your question from below up here.

You asked:

OK, I don’t see where anyone has asked the obvious question:
Why do Germans pronounce “W” as “V”? Why do they not use “v” instead of “w” to spell such good German words as wild, Wind, West, und Winter?

To amplify your question with an example, you are stating:
• The English word winter is pronounced: win-ter
• The German word winter is pronounced: vin-ter

Then, you are asking, if the pronunciation of the German winter is with a “v” sound, then why isn’t the German word spelled with a “v” as in “vinter”?

Marina actually answered that in her video at the 1:00 mark, but of course she did not do it in the context of your specific question which came after the video. To see what is going on, lets go back in time.

First, you will need to know how to correctly pronounce the German alphabet. Many sites are wrong, like About.com.

Here is an audio pronunciation site of the German alphabet.
By the way it is also great for Russian and other languages.
Hover your cursor over the two letters of interest; i.e. v and w
http://www.languageguide.org/im/alpha/de/

Here is the written pronunciation guide.
http://www.learngermanwords.com/lessons/pronunciation/pronouncethealphabet.html

The German letter “v” is pronounced as: Fau
The German letter “w” is pronounced as: Veh (similar to: vey as in “oy vey”)

So, you see, based on the pronunciation rules, the correct letter, “w” is used to spell the German words winter, west, etc. since the letter “v” is pronounced with an “f” sound.

Now, at this point, you should be satisfied with the answer, right?
Or, maybe you are more confused than ever?
If you are confused, it might be because you are trying to translate from one system to another system and mixing up the rules. Is that possible?

If you are still not satisfied, there are several historical occurrences which influenced the way things are today, and Marina pointed them out in the video.
See my reply to this comment for some historical footnotes.

In this comment I will address your question as to why Germans pronounce the “w” as “veh”. The following links provide some anchor points for further study as to the changes that occurred and which Marina pointed out in the video.

Some historical precedence
As Marina pointed out in the video, there was no letter “w” in classical Latin to represent the sound that we make using the word west as an example and as you may know, in French it is Ouest and in Spanish it is Oeste where the sounds are similar to the “w” sound as in the English west.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet

Also reference this article from Answers.com.

5th cetury – 1300 and beyond
Read the History section of the letter “w” at the top of the next link. Take note of the following sentences:

An obsolete, cursive form found in the nineteenth century in both English and German was in the form of an “n” whose rightmost branch curved around as in a cursive “v” (compare the shape of Æ•).

The sounds /w/ (spelled with U/V) and /b/ (spelled B) of Classical Latin developed into a bilabial fricative /β/ between vowels, in Early Medieval Latin. Therefore, V no longer represented adequately the labial-velar approximant sound /w/ of Old High German. In later German, this phoneme /w/ became /v/; this is why the German W represents that sound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W

 
A 17th century change
Scroll down to the section entitled; Typical letters
Scroll down to the “w” where it says:

w: The letter w represents the sound /v/. In the 17th century, the former sound [w] became [v] but the spelling remained the same. An analogous sound change had happened in Late Antique Latin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_orthography

I hope that provided some anchor points of interest for further study.
Fascinating subject.
Let me know what you think.

Marina mentioned the runic letter “wunjo”. I did see one website that said this letter was sometimes pronouned as in modern English and sometimes as in modern German. (How they know this I don’t know – perhaps it was speculation. Anyhow there is the suggestion that there possibly was not universal agreement about the original “wunjo” amongst the Germanic speaking peoples even before the Romans came along with their alphabet to add to the confusion).

Following on from that, German is a language where the consonants have changed more than once over the centuries – e.g. “ship” is more true to the original than the modern German “schiff”. It is German that has changed – not the English. In reading about this I don’t recall there being mention of “W” mutating into “V” – but, there again, with the info about wunjo – maybe there was a change that predates any sort of record – maybe.

(English is a language that has mutated its vowels – and is arguably still doing it).

Nick

In my blurry insomniac state, it sounds like “w” became a “v” sound through evolution in pronunciation, sort of like the “great consonant shift” and “great vowel movement” :???: in English. Now I must investigate how “v” morphed into an “f” sound. (I should have known that — it’s the same in Dutch, e.g. voet is what you walk on, not what you do on election day. :lol:) German “v’s” are the opposite of Welsh — you pronounce “v” as “f”, but we pronounce “f” as “v.” :razz:

In Spanish, “b” and “v” are pronounced the same, sometimes as “b” and sometimes as your “bilabial fricative” (a sort of cross between w, b, and v); semiliterate Mexicans will write “volver” as “bolber.” :cool:

As usual, your dissertation progressed logically, and mine sounds like it was written by someone with ADHD, which it was. :lol:

Hey, “skiff” must come from the same root as “ship.” I never noticed that before.

No argument that English vowels and consonants are changing — language continually evolves — but careful how you comment, or “ilove2cutfarts” will come along and respond with a request that Marina explain “the great vowel movement.” :roll:

when we abbreviate a phrase why do we do this? I want to dance w/u? I want to play w/u. Also, in slow motion, when you say anything that begins with “W” like “Whoa” “waffles” it sounds weird (doesn’t the word “weird” come from Nordic roots?). try a tonque twister with “w” really fast.

Very nice nw2394,
Yes, that is correct regarding the “wunjo” and the consonants changing over the years. The mutating vowels is also interesting. I came across several articles that mentioned that the “w” produces a sound in many words where it might even be considered a vowel and the letter “y” has been considered a vowel in many different contexts.

@PK. We’re taught that W and Y are consonants in English – but this is really being very ecconomical with the truth – not that they are vowels either. Better to think of them as semi-vowels – vowel modifiers.

The letter R is another one – even the English speakers that can roll their Rs properly usually don’t – and R becomes reduced to the role of a vowel modifier in a lot of words.

Ever since this video I’ve been saying all my W’s with V’s. So…thanks for that. :lol:

Its kinda vindy outside right now. No seriously, it is. :shock:

Hi Nick,
Thanks for your great input regarding the semi-vowels, vowel modifiers. I wasn’t aware of the letter “R” being one. I can roll my “Rs” in two ways, but need some practice when trying it in Spanish.

Marina,
Well their is a few that comes straight at me.
blew,crew,shrew,clawed,clown :???:.
Gregory G McBride

Hi all,
Aren’t we supposed to be doing english?

Hi spelcheck,
Q: Are we supposed to be doing English?
A: No, we are supposed to do the origin of words.

Marina has addressed the issue of many people confusing her work, which includes her book (see link at the top) with the teaching of English. Marina teaches the origin of words which may include, but is not limited to the teaching and learning of grammar, spelling and other things associated with words not only in English, but other languages which have influenced the history of words.

Have you been to this page that Marina posted on March 21?
Read Marina’s comment below the image at the top where she says;

“It’s funny how they take the commonly mistaken angle that I am teaching Americans English”

http://www.hotforwords.com/2010/03/21/article-in-one-of-the-largest-russian-newspapers/

And, most importantly, we should be having fun when learning. Marina makes learning a blast. Watch all 500+ videos and you’ll see what I mean. :-)

Ah, but we are! English is a mash-up of a bunch of other languages, including Germanic and Latin (the parent of Spanish.) Understanding our parent / sibling languages deepens our understanding of English. :smile:

Yanukovich has a point, but may have been tactfully criticizing someone besides the Russians. The USSR in the 1930s was under the control of a viciously Slav-hating Kartvelian named Yosip Dzhugashvili, who used his adherence to Communism as a cover and alibi for slaughtering Ukrainians, Poles, and, yes, Russians (perhaps for revenge against the Russian conquest of his country, Sakartvelo.) Yet because he led the fight against the Nazis in the Great Patriotic War, many still regard Dzhugashvili, better known as Joseph Stalin, as a hero. Criticizing the USSR? Ten to one, Yanukovich meant Stalin. :evil:

Mycenaean Greek
The sound /w/ existed in Mycenean Greek, as attested in Linear B and archaic Greek inscriptions using digamma. It is also confirmed by the Hittite name of Troy, Wilusa, corresponding to the Greek name *Wilion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digamma …. For example, the words ἄναξ (king), found in the Iliad, which would originally have been ϝάναξ [wanaks], and οἶνος (wine) are sometimes used in the meter where a word starting with a consonant would be expected. Further evidence coupled with cognate-analysis shows that οἶνος was earlier ϝοῖνος [woinos][LSJ, οἶνος: Ϝοῖνος Leg.Gort. col X.39] (cf. Cretan Doric ibêna, cf. Latin vÄ«num and English “wine”). For some time, word-initial /w-/ remained foreign to Greek phonology, and was dropped in loanwords, compare the name of Italy (Italia from Oscan Viteliu *Ϝιτελιυ) or of the Veneti (Greek Ἐνετοί – Enetoi). By the 2nd century BC, the phoneme was once again registered, compare for example the spelling of Οὐάτεις for vates.

“Pamphylian digamma”In some local (epichoric) alphabets, a variant glyph of the letter digamma existed that resembled modern Cyrillic И. In one local alphabet, that of Pamphylia, this variant form existed side by side with standard digamma as two distinct letters. It has been surmised that in this dialect the sound /w/ may have changed to labiodental [v] in some environments. The F-shaped letter may have stood for the new [v] sound, while the special И-shaped form signified those positions where the old [w] sound was preserved
—Nick Nicolas: Proposal to add Greek epigraphical letters to the UCS. Technical report, Unicode Consortium, 2005. Citing C. Brixhe, Le dialecte grec de Pamphylie. Documents et grammaire. Paris: Maisonneuve, 1976. {weed} :lol: {herb} :cool: “war-horse and the neo-daddy of dollars”…my new band :???:

So who’s going to break it to “il2cf” that “Ïœart” is actually pronounced “wart”? :razz:

“People seldom notice old clothes if you wear a big smile.” 
   - Milton Arthur Lee (1949-1968)