Onomatopoeia

Onomatopoeia for animal sounds… why would animals sound differently in different parts of the world?  Do animals speak different languages as well?

Here are some fun links:  Animal Sounds all over the world and the Family Guy See & Say. Oh and be sure to check out VenetianPrincess’s channel!

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  1. andurooh’z snot ok i know. LOL

  2. The picture with Gorbatchev : ill be here soon i promise to you Gorby!..

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  4. animalluvr says:

    One of my favorite words in English is not only one of the prettiest sounding words, but I think it qualifies as Onomatopoeia. That word is “murmur”.

  5. ragabashmoon says:

    I still can’t hear the horse say “I go go”

    ANother one is cats say “Nyan” in Japan, and I’d have to say cats are my favorite as you can tell by my avatar. There is even a song in the anime Macross that is hilarious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wieStI7kN-I

  6. swampwiz says:

    Marina, rather than reading me a bedtime story, how about a story about you spending time in my bed? :razz:

  7. loon says:

    Ах, боже мой! Ты не блондинка больше.

  8. pedanticKarl says:

    What are my favorite onomatopoeic sounds?
    I’m going to strike out on this topic as I noticed something about the exercise. I lean heavily into the visual side of the world instead of the auditory side.

    I suppose pssst would be an onomatopoeic word used in this example; pssst, come a little closer, I want to whisper something into you ear, however, I did not see any decent references or listings.

    Words that I am in tune with (get that auditory reference) are serendipity, quintessential, scintilating which are not onomatopoeic, but might be mostly visual and interestingly have the “es” sound just like pssst. What’s up with that? I suppose the word scintilating could have an auditory component to it in conjunction with some visual object such as ice breaking, and certain types of windchimes.

    Marina has done two of those three words as lessons.

    Serendipity
    http://www.hotforwords.com/2007/06/25/serendipity-lucky-discovery/

    Quintessential
    http://www.hotforwords.com/2007/11/22/the-fifth-element/

  9. originalistrick says:

    Speaking of eyes…

    [BEDROOM EYES]

    God knows you could do this one justice, Marina.

  10. 19hiphop85 says:

    Hello Marina, I was wondering if you could tell me the origin of the word [Voodoo]. Thanks Marina!!

  11. redonthehead says:

    Hey, I like the hair. I was hoping you could tell me what a moldwarp was. More specifically a Craven rump-fed moldwarp.

  12. chabooboo says:

    All my life I have used the saying [Last stitch effort] but today as I was reading I found the saying as [Last ditch effort]. After doing a little searching it seems to be agreed that it is ditch but I want to be sure. Which one is it? Have I been using this wrong for 21 years? Where did it come from? Many thanks if you can help me! -Chabooboo

  13. tonyb says:

    Now we need a Systeme Internationalle for standardizing animal sounds, right?

  14. Capman911 says:

    Pedantickarl has put up a tribute video to Jody on his You Tube stie. It is a very beautiful montage of Jody’s, Karl’s, Monica’s, Marina’s and everyone that ever talked or conversed with Jody.
    Excellent job Karl simply heart felt.

    http://www.youtube.com/pedantickarl

  15. johnuk says:

    I was watching your recent video on ‘fumble’ and the clips of you running.

    So I would like to know the origin of the word [jiggle] which is used to describe the bouncy motion when you run :oops:

    John

  16. leoNard says:

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  17. deluxenn says:

    Some words sound and meaning similar in different languages.
    For example:
    [perfect] (eng)
    [perfekt] (ge)
    [perfetto] (it)
    [parfait] (fr)
    [perfecto] (sp)
    [прекрасно] (rus)
    [完善] – joke ;)
    Where this word came from?
    Can HotForWords investigate this? pleeease

  18. cufan71 says:

    :cool: Word Request
    [Worm} :mrgreen: :lol: :grin:

  19. edgarjensen says:

    You’re an [eminence] front, just [a put on].

  20. davidd says:

    The names of many songbirds are onomatopoeic:

    Chickadee
    Towhee
    Phoebe
    Pewee
    Veery

    To name a few.

  21. drteeth says:

    Interestingly, although animals of the same species may not speak different languages due to country of origin, they do have different accents, which are geographically based.

    Countryside living animals tend to make softer, slower and more drawn out sounds, whereas their city dwelling relatives tend to make louder, faster and more clipped sounds. This is most likely due to the noise levels they are living in. In a noisy place like a city, they have to make faster, louder, shorter sounds that don’t get drowned out.

    The countryside is relatively quiet so the slower drawls won’t be lost in the noise.

    Oh and dolphins can speak several languages which allows them to communicate with other species such as whales and the like.

    • davidd says:

      There are also regional dialects among birds. An individual that lives in the Midwest may have a slightly different song than an individual of the same species that lives in the East, just like people.

  22. neuroway says:

    Horses say neigh neigh, cats say meow meow, dogs say woof woof, cows say moo moo, ghosts say booh booh, monkeys say oooh oooh aaah aaah and humans say blah blah. Yeah. Blah blah blah they say and blah blah blah they go.

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  24. Evan Owen says:

    Prenuptual agreement:

    To write one’s rights in the rite, right? (Hey, I’m a riot!) :mrgreen:

  25. thekurgan says:

    I would like to know the origins of the phrase [bite the dust]

  26. seankim says:

    i would like to request the words [fuddy duddy].

  27. cosmokramer says:

    I would like to know the word [Augment] as I had it on an English test and just blanked out. :|

  28. netman1961 says:

    I would like to request the following words. [Jinx] and [French Drain]

  29. originalistrick says:

    Enjoyed immensely-have to admit I hadn’t thought about that before. And God was on His game when He created V.P.’s and your eyes. (I actually had thought about that before.)

    Loved the shoulder-flash, by the way.

    Always.

  30. leoNard says:

    What kid of word is [ squeeze] and I request! The Who – Squeeze Box squeal 1.To scream by making a shrill, prolonged sound.
    2.To give sensitive information about someone to a third party; to rat on someone.———-One famous [butcher] bragged; that every part of the pig was used but its “squeal”(when killed):… today that sound could be uploaded as a ring tone. I think Oscar Mayer said it?

    [B U T C H]

    …very enjoyable video—HotForWords :cool:

  31. electricladyland says:

    i would like to request the word “ditto”. thank you.

  32. maddog says:

    WOW! Don’t EVER change your hair! Classic Beauty!

  33. tonyb says:

    Such a loving look on your face at the beginning. And that smart assed kid who sasses you everytime you say something is funny too. she has big pretty eyes like Joan Collins!! But Marinai is the fairiest of them all.

  34. thoughtonfire says:

    Dear HotForWords,

    My favorite Onomatopoeia is “Aum/Om”, that sound that Humans make: Ummm.

    Your Student,
    ThoughtOnFire

    BTW You look so good in yellow! ;-) :smile: :razz: :cool:

  35. seesixcm6 says:

    Dear Marina,
    Once you gave us a video of a cat eating food and enjoying it. I clearly heard the cat say “meow, meow.” You wrote back and told me “The cat say ‘Yum-Yum.’” So I listened again, and I did hear the cat say “Yum-Yum.” :shock:
    The cat actually made the same noises each time. We decided to hear different parts of the sounds the cat made. :razz:
    Favorite onomaapoetic words are “Smooch”, whic sounds like a wet kiss, and “kiss” which sounds like a dry kiss. :o
    You looked so beautiful when you pulled your dress down and showed your bare shoulders. I’d like to rub your shoulders someday! :mrgreen:
    Here is a word request: [caviar}
    It's derived from the Turkish word "Hayvar", a derivative of the Persian word for "egg", or "Khayah." The English got the word from the Italian "caviari" and the French word, "caviare." In Russia, the word for caviar is "Ikra" (Икра), So, the big surprise in this lesson would be that [caviar] is not a Russian word! (I don’t eat caviar, because it usually is too salty for me.) :|
    Seesixcm6

  36. bigredgumball says:

    Well some cows make more sound out the non-mooing end… kinda a Pbpbpbplllllpppplllllluuulllppytllpbpbpbpulllll…. thats the methane producing end though… :mrgreen:

  37. cufan71 says:

    :grin: GREAT lesson Marina!
    Homework My favorite onomatopoeic word is Meow :mrgreen:

  38. bsomebody says:

    Extra cool vid! Some etymology, biology, cultural diversity… I have learned so much already, I think I will postpone my history reading until tomorrow.

    HW: I like sizzle. Sounds great when bacon does it. Sometimes, I hear the same sound inside my own head, though, and it doesn’t sound (nor smell :mrgreen: ) quite as pleasurable.

    My $0.02 on the hair – I love it. I wonder, though, if the different hair styles make Marina feel differently. Does she feel bolder, smarter, sexier with one over the other?

  39. staniguc says:

    Hi! A newbie here! Enjoyed all of your previous shows. (and ordered and waiting to receive the signed book in mail!)

    Here are some onomatopoeia for “Japanese Animals”:
    Dogs: “Wan Wan”
    Cow: “Mou Mou”
    Pig: “Buu Buu”

    I’ve heard many different interesting version for chicken around the world… Japanese: “Ko Ke Kko kkoo”

    Looking forward for more shows!
    I like your new hair style/color!

  40. Capman911 says:

    Does anyone know how to stop the auto play of a video on You Tube. When I favor a video some of them auto play and some don’t. Does it come from the person whom I favor the video from as I have it set up that whom ever I favor the video goes onto my YT page for people to watch. Since most of the videos I favor are Marina’s, I wonder if it could be her fault. lol (JK) Marina. :smile: ” Please put me in detention” Just trying to find out if I can turn off auto play on a favored video on my site.

  41. deusex says:

    Hi Marina!
    I have a word request for [member].
    I want to know why the word member also means a man’s dick?
    This case is interesting enough, because in bulgarian the word for member and for a dick is also the same – член (chlen).
    I wonder if this coincidence occurs in russian too?

  42. alexix says:

    Hi, I would like to know the origin of the word [hipster], my english teacher told me its a similar word to douchbag. thx

  43. AllynTygrrr says:

    Hmmm…

    Maybe that was just horse for “You should probably ask the frog about the prince”.

    I do [like] the more classy ‘bedtime story’ Marina above the one trying to act all whatever for whatever demographic though.

    If ‘hmmm…’ doesn’t count as an onomatopoeia (despite being the default silent sound of thought my mind makes most often whether vocalized or not), I did make a real, physical, 3D, tangible, physical equivalent of an onomatopoeia the other night.

    Does this count?

    It looks like and says what it is: http://www.facebook.com/wayoverdue?ref=profile#!/photo.php?pid=30980686&id=1119393802

    If not, to be even more cool, I’ll go with ‘shhh’ – because it also represents the silence in which you might be silently thinking ‘hmmm’ the whole time.

    Hmmm…

    Shhh…

    _________ __ ____.

    Think about it.

    There are also ‘super-onomatopoeias’… Well, at least on The Simpsons.

  44. doncross2bear says:

    Most onomatopoetic word that I know of is crash. A high speed vehicular attempt at breaking a primary law of physics makes that sound spot on and loudly. Few years ago I had one that every-freakin-body from cops, EMS, witnesses, folks who viewed the leftovers, etc said I shouldn’t have lived thru (I apologized, fer cryin out loud), and that was my random thought before I went out for a brief nap.

  45. leoNard says:

    Todd Rundgren Onomatopoeia …every time I see you /i mght want to pee on..very funny song…[QUACK]

    I want my mummy

    :o this comment dedicated to the late Jody Darling :cry:

  46. jrlaredo says:

    One of my college teachers told this story about recording one of his compositions with the Mexican Symphony Orchestra. He’s in the studio the tape editor, going through the recording. In one part of the piece he imitates a rooster crowing. The tape editor asks if he would like to use a real rooster crow from the studio’s sound library. When my teacher heard the recorded crow he said it couldn’t be used since Mexican roosters have a different crow than Panamanian roosters.

  47. CampKohler - Sacramento CA says:

    My favorite is “snorka.”

  48. buzzword says:

    my favorite onomatopoeia is, “suck” cause when things go wrong everyone has heard the sound of life sucking.

    • alphabetman says:

      suck is related to sugar … we sucked the sugar from fruit …

    • BillyB says:

      To suck face is to “Kiss”, which can be deceptive

    • alphabetman says:

      not at all biblical – perhaps anti-biblical in that it is scientific
      ..i refer to pre-babel because folks are familiar with the babel tale – when there was one language ( and we were getting along ) and then there were many languages (and we were fighting) … the stories of the bible are #1 – often based on the bible of the Sumerians ( babylonia ) ..and #2 – somewhat reflective of the way we thought 5-10 thousand years ago – so yes, i believe that there was a time ( i am sure – noam chomsky agreed with me on this too, i have met with him ) that we spoke on core language – SUCK can be said exhaling or inhaling – i am sure it was first said inhaling ( sucking ) and sugar is an obvious connected word – the AR part of SUGAR – refers to the eARth – AR words are earth-words in english – AREA – PARK – FARM – HECTARE – the Hebrew word for eARth is aretz – ( nearly the same word ) … how about countries like BULGARIA ( which had a mountainous bulge in the center of it’s area … and SAHARA – ( land of the sun , saha is an arabic/ethiopian word for sun ) -

      • just get the fuck out.

        please don’t insult chomsky and any other serious linguist or scientist by saying that a) you’ve met with chomsky, b) you’ve talked to him, and c) he agreed with you on your bullshit.

        • alphabetman says:

          i am 61 years old – i dont have time to lie – literally – chomsky and i have met – october 17th 2008 – his secretary bev stahl used to do stand-up comedy – what i am handing out here is a sample of a revolutionary ( yet old and very basic ) concept of language evolution … noam does not like to “comment” – but we are friends – i told him about marina ( they did not know of her ) – of course – they are not in he same “game” – keep an open mind young man … here’s a bit from an email he sent me: Noam Chomsky
          sender-time Sent at 11:56 PM (GMT-05:00). Current time there: 6:39 AM. ✆
          reply-to Noam Chomsky
          to “Joseph Este (by way of Noam Chomsky )”
          date Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:56 PM
          subject Re: to Bev Stahl: Joseph Aronesty – :)
          hide details 12/8/09
          Good to hear from you. It’s imaginative, but I can’t really comment.

          Noam

          this was in reaction to a piece i sent to him on the Japansese word/phrase TATAKU – which they sing at Benihana – it means “clap” or “clap you hands” – if you’re happy and you know it “tataku” …. in my book i describe how true T-words are primarily about ONE thing … touching …. :)

          language evolution is simple – my book will give Chomsky’s Deep Structure theory a friendly face – essentially he proved that we all speak one language down deep – i have just found that first language or the core of it ..alive and well ..living best in English …

          • essentially he proved that we all speak one language down deep

            what? are you talking about universal grammar? that has nothing to do with history, it’s about language acquisition.
            he argues (for good reasons) that we’re born with certain grammatical abilities, that has nothing to do with talking in one language.

            and why on earth would it live best in english? there are a few thousand languages, why english?

            also, comparing germanic languages to other germanic languages or to romance languages is one thing. they’re pretty close. how about finnish, arabic, tagalog or something?

            you seem to focus on semantics. generative grammar, though, focuses rather on syntax.
            one problem with semantics is, not every word has a semantic meaning, a lot of them only have a grammatical meaning. you’ll have to explain why this is the case. “to” (as in “i was about to jump out of the window”) is a “t-word” as well. nothing to (!) do with touching something, though.
            and what exactly is the difference b/w “true (t-)words” and … “untrue words”?

          • alphabetman says:

            you seem at least to be genuinely interested in the origin of language – my email is [email protected] – ( my biz ) if you email me there i will send you ONE chapter of my book – the chapter on T -words. …….
            6000+ languages – all one root because we are all one people 75,000 years ago ( the real eve theory is proven ) … true T-words : one TOUCHES the TOP of one’s TONGUE to the TOP on one’s paleTTE to form a T. Before we could speak – we used ..body/sign language . When the new technology of “spoken word” made it’s way into the scene of human communication – it had to rely on the logic of the previous technology . ( like the car on the horse and buggy ) . .. We used to have to TOUCH a person near us to say YOU ( you go there ..touch and point ) ..now ..we simply touched with our mouths …hence was born the association of T with touching ..this not NEW knowledge – we sued to KNOW this stuff as a people … it’s why the letter T looks like two planes touching … ( yes our english letters are stylized hieroglyphs for their original meanings ) ..ironically, once we began to READ and store information in word – we forgot the original associations of our spoken language ( because before we wrote it was natural to keep those associations alive . it’s also why musicians who learn to play by ear first ..usually make the best composers … ( arabic ( i speak some hebrew ) uses the same basic codes as english and is closer to english than ANYONE wants to admit ( this attitude was promulgated by the holy roman church so they could sponsor their “crusades” thing ) as to why english preserves best … lets save that for now … i believe it has something to do with cold weather and vikings .

        • Evan Owen says:

          Leave off, äläx, he’s a harmless…um…theoretician? :lol:

      • Evan Owen says:

        One problem with your [Bulgaria] theory: the Bulgars for whom the country is named originated in the Volga region (hence the name), which is pretty flat… :roll:

        [Sugar] came from a Sanskrit word meaning “gravel,” in reference to the lumpy texture of raw sugar. I doubt people sucked on gravel. :???:

        • leoNard says:

          RAW SUGAR is sex talk…. :lol: ….talk sex is SUGAR RAW

          Confessions of a Chocaholic – Nightmares Caused by a Chocolate Addiction – ExoticJess …[eaT-me]…

          Doug Flutie Band cover of Brown Sugar …Mother nature & her inVentors chigars :lol:

        • alphabetman says:

          evan – i approach language evolution with an imagination – i am taking these words back to an era i call ” The Dawn of Speak” . there’s a lot of guesswork involved in “accepted” etymolgy as well – so i admit i am guessing sometimes – there’s not much difference between BULG and VOLF ( the b/v morph is universal – and in hebrew they are written the same ) the BULG word is and obvious BLOW BELLOW BALL B’word ( because one makes a bellows with one’s cheeks to say B )
          butt boobs too – so that BULG is just a swollen area – my logic has appeal – if i am absolutely proven wrong – i do concede a word – but – again – i am tracing back 100,000+ years – sanskrit is also fairly new and likely sourced from the simplicity of the b-word code i just lit upon .. :)

  49. Evan Owen says:

    I like the “eek” of the pika, an alpine rodent of the Cascade Mountains. Also the “kee-arrr” of the red-tailed hawk (which Attenborough erroneously referred to as the call of an eagle.) Bald eagles, by the way, make a ridiculous chirping about as fierce as a chickadee, whose name is clearly onomatopoeia. :cool:

  50. Jeff says:

    I was told that the phase, “Give them the whole nine yards,” comes from the World War II flight crew on B-17 bombers, because the bomb bay of a B-17 is 36 feet log.
    In context the phase would be used if, say, somebody just got yelled at by their boss and a co-worker would say, “She really gave him the whole nine yards!” Could you please verify this for me?

    • Evan Owen says:

      One problem with that theory: 36 feet is 12 yards.

      There’s a saying that making a Scottish kilt takes nine yards of fabric, due to all the pleats, and that’s the origin of the phrase [the whole nine yards], but I’m too lazy to look it up and verify it. :neutral:

      • CampKohler - Sacramento CA says:

        The fact is that it took nine yards of Scottish fabric to upholster the bomb bay of a B-17.

        It’s true, I tell you.

        • Jeff says:

          The first appearance of the phrase in print occured in the U.S. newspaper “The Democratic Standard, March 14th 1855. It concerned a judge who had a shirt made for him. The person making the shirt pulled a joke on him and ordered three times the material. The quote was:
          “He found himself shrouded in a shirt five yards long and four yards broad. What a silly, stupid woman! I told her to get enough to make three shirts; instead of making three, she has put the whole nine yards into the shirt!”
          The phrase didn’t appear in print again until 1942 in the testimony by Admiral Emory Scott Land:
          “You have to increase from 7.72 to 12 for the average at the bottom of that fifth column, for the whole nine yards.”
          The most plausible theory is that the phrase as used in the modern coinage is from the Vietnam War. “The whole nine yards” is used several times in the 1967 novel ‘The Doom Pussy’ (A narritive about the Vietnam War and the men who are fighting it) by Elaine Shepard.
          The nine Montagnards hill trides were known as ‘Yards’. Some U.S. service personel claim that Special Operations Group consisted of three U.S. soldiers and nine Yards.

  51. samuel3d says:

    I like Ribit,ribit, and Cockadoodle doo ;-) :lol:

  52. jack67 says:

    I’d like to know the origin of the word [monkeyshines]. Who shines a monkey? Oh, wait. Is this a euphamism? Don’t shine your monkey! You’ll go blind!

  53. bhxspecter says:

    Phrase Request: My wife was told by two guys on Yahoo! that she had [bedroom eyes]. “You have bedroom eyes”, what does that mean and where on earth did that saying come from?

  54. pat says:

    Homework: slap? Doesn’t happen to me too much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_GJkKMPHxw

  55. nearlynot says:

    thanks nighteye, wasen’t expecting such a quick response

  56. nearlynot says:

    okay, never mind. I tried it again and it worked fine. trouble averted.

  57. nearlynot says:

    I should mention I now have Windows 7.

  58. nearlynot says:

    O.k. Just had to get new tower, cause the motherboard in old one died. I clicked on to this lesson and it keeps stopping and starting. any solutions, Karl?

    • nighteye says:

      That sounds like typical behaviour of a slow connection. Could be that your ISP is having a bad day or something.

      Anyway, for a solution: start the lesson and then hit the pause button as it starts playing. Then wait a while before hitting play, so more of the video gets preloaded on your PC.

  59. James says:

    Is there any reason why there is a random closed bracket at the end of “thread”?

  60. leoNard says:

    blooper

    straight from the horses mouth :lol:

    [wheeze]…pop…smelling good I sea :lol:

  61. James says:

    Nice video Marina, but I do think you look better with blonde hair… Love it that you are back more often…. I think you should get a grey wig… Look like the queen for a while lol.

  62. Greatest Potential says:

    It gets really fun when friends are having a good time and just goofing off. Drinking milk in the kitchen and making animal sounds. Good clean dorky fun.

  63. Greatest Potential says:

    ;-) Catfights are full of Onomatopoeia

    so many, couldn’t really go with just one fav

  64. Greatest Potential says:

    squeals of pleasure

  65. boneafyde says:

    [Cosby Sweater] ;-)

  66. wetsuit5 says:

    So I guess the old Batman series was actually an early lesson in Onomatopoeia. Let’s get em Robin,, Zip, Bam ,Pow, Bang, Gong, Crash.

    Ah, but my favorite onomatopoeia word for Marina is Smooooch.

    (It’s scary to finally know what William Buckley was talking about all those years)

    (What’s the Russian name for a Hoot Owl?)

  67. ravenlol says:

    :razz:
    this is very educational ..
    I think ..

  68. Capman911 says:

    Hmmmm don’t know if I have a favorite word, but another great video with you and VenetianPrincess. :grin:

  69. smokey36bear says:

    Homework: There are so many it is hard to choose just one. But if I have to I would say “CRUNCH
    You know the sound when one car hits another.

  70. smokey36bear says:

    New camera?? Video looks great.

  71. leoNard says:

    cool :P my pants had ants and I like pea soup with leaks :-)

    • CampKohler - Sacramento CA says:

      It would be spelled leeks, unless, of course, you mean pee soup. :grin:

      • leoNard says:

        s-oops :lol: Some ancient Greek philosophers, particularly Plato, tended to vilify poets and poetry as harmful nonsense—Plato denies entry to poets in his ideal state in The Republic until they can prove their value. In the Ion, Plato famously portrays poets as possessed:

        You know, none of the epic poets, if they’re good, are masters of their subject; they are inspired, possessed, and that is how they utter all those beautiful poems. The same goes for lyric poets if they’re good: just as the Corybantes are not in their right minds when they dance, lyric poets, too, are not in their right minds when they make those beautiful lyrics, but as soon as they sail into harmony and rhythm they are possessed by Bacchic frenzy.
        Hermeneutics —Plato , Ion, 533e-534a…sourced—= :lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneutics

        • Evan Owen says:

          If you’re a poet, how much are your Wordsworth? :razz:

          • leoNard says:

            50 cents on dollar…Quote..::from the HOtFORWORDS site::.. :grin:

            “But at my back I always hear Time’s winged chariot hurrying near.” – Andrew Marvell 1621-1678…

            It is fun to go into the past with what was! :lol: Anglo-Dutch War and employment as Latin secretary—
            During the period of increasing tensions leading up to the First Anglo-Dutch War of 1653, Marvell wrote the satirical “Character of Holland,” repeating the then current stereotype of the Dutch as “drunken and profane”: “This indigested vomit of the Sea,/ Fell to the Dutch by Just Propriety”…….[]funny how things happen[]……Marvell’s poetry is often witty and full of elaborate conceits in the elegant style of the metaphysical poets. Many poems were inspired by events of the time, public or personal….sourced from wiki

            Pastoral shepherds and maidens usually have Greek names like Corydon or Philomela, reflecting the origin of the pastoral genre. Pastoral poems are set in beautiful rural landscapes, the literary term for which is “locus amoenus” (Latin for “beautiful place”), such as Arcadia, a rural region of Greece, mythological home of the god Pan, which was portrayed as a sort of Eden by the poets.

            :smile: don’t make me eat my words raw or not ripen :!: :cool: From Latin lāicus (“‘layman, laic’”), from Ancient Greek λαϊκός (laikos), “‘of the people’”), from λαός (laos), “‘the people’”).…a leek pan fried :???: [Homophones]: leak :lol:

      • Evan Owen says:

        Reminds me of the time Graham Kerr (“Galloping Gourmet”) was showing how to make cawl cennin on his show, and said, “Start by taking a leek…” :roll:

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