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to resign..There is a serious and growing rift in Iran between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the
president, and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader.   Persian Music Video Miras Jame Eshgh     http://www.CoolPersia.com
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EGO – EdgingGodOut :smile:
Hang On To Your Ego” was originally going to be on Pet Sounds That is about the truth…good one Karl :razz: …Ego Is Not A Dirty Word (1975)…..hot for words quote from the site——Everybody pities the weak – jealousy you have to earn.” – Arnold Schwarzenegger 1947- :lol:
Soul what did we learn?…
:shock:
[heave]….Ok…democracy is a word. Only if I had not to pick-up the pennies you tossed me as a dollar. :lol:
:cool: …[heave]
My Persian friends tell me that Iran is a very young country (most of the population is under 30). Until recently most of them were ambivilant to their country’s politics but now understand that activism is important.
This is what I’ve said for years. “Isms” in control create nothing but worthless, repressive autocracies. They stifle creativity, they trample basic human rights, they breed corruption, and require heavy enforcement resources. The creators and enforces of “Ism” based systems of governance (whether Religious, Philosophical, Political, or Totalitarian)are costing the planet Trillions annually and are preventing that, or more, from being created by being the obstacles to the movement of people/talent, goods, and commerce.
The Internet offers the last real hope for a true global democracy and commerce engine offering universal parity. Will it happen…one can hope, but that hope is slowly fading as time goes by.
Even OUR government is promoting the concept of having “emergency powers” to shut the Internet down if the President feels there is a “challenge to our security”. What “challenge” would be sufficient cause has not been truly defined.
I treasure the ability to mix concepts, ideas, and talents with astute people from all walks of life. I would truly miss it. It’s worth fighting to keep. Iran is NOT as distant a phenomena as we’d like to think.
This whole world could use a fresh breath of FREEDOM!
Good thinking…
:sad:
It’s certain that if there is a cyber attack on any nation, the attackers would endeavor to deliver it as a unique surprise, so that there would be no immediate remedy to counteract it. By it’s very nature, this kind of invisible sneak attack would be very difficult to define in advance. Maybe it will be an attack to mine data from the military, or the military industrial complex, or govt., or maybe it would be in the form of a virus that would render computers inoperable. Who knows what the Chinese, N. Koreans, or some other nation or organization has up their sleeve? What is particularly disturbing is that our government doesn’t have it’s own private internet, unconnected with the world wide web.
Both candidates in Iran were chosen by the Ayatollah. The people were voting between these two stooges of the Ayatollah, so they are supposed to think it is a democracy, but if both candidates are chosen by one man, it is a faux democracy. Even with this kind of rigging, there was yet another layer of rigging possible, where one candidate acceptable to the Ayatollah rigged the elections in his own favor. It was double rigged. Crooked as a dog’s hind leg. Using the cloak of democracy to mask a dictatorship richly deserves disrespect from the U.S. or any other legitimate democracy.
They run their own country and how they run it is their business-like in Viet Nam and America’s meddling there. Daniel chapter four once suggested to me in 1991 that Washington should respect the soveriegnty of other nations bacause God put their rulers in power-even if they do not think like americans.
*[Well]* went dry and the ink is not seen…[well]
:mrgreen: :shock: :mrgreen:
:lol: Well is the answer available?…I ran and I rocked; ahead of the mess of east of middle :grin: [Rhine Wine] or cheap Rhubarb whine :lol:
This is my Iranian-election (and now violence) “Happy Fathers Day” message from Wyoming. My Mom and I will visit my Dad’s and grandparent’s final places of rest this afternoon. I decided to arrange those visits after seeing an Iranian woman’s death on the streets of Tehran on the video I’ve linked below. Her death and the Iranian government’s use of the “Basij” thug paramilitary-armed gangs to perform these killings (in 1999 I think, the Iranian government bought-off hundreds of thousands of young greasers… who now get government discounts and benefits and income. Some basiji get formal military training is a result of the government wanting to control the streets and prevent the same massing of Iranian discontent which overthrew the Shah’s regime before the clerics’ rise to power. Affected by this woman’s death, I changed my avatar to green on Twitter today after reading Marina’s posting on Twitter about being able to do that (Good reminder, Captain Jack).
The video shows a young woman who, moments before, had been standing next to her father on a sidewalk, watching a demonstration… when a Basij sniper shot her in the chest above the heart. This is one of the dead that the “legitimately elected” Iranian fascist leadership is calling “terrorists.”
If you chose to watch this video there may well be a point where you should just close your eyes like she does. Feel her father’s anguish as she might have still been hearing herself as her brain let go (I experienced this in Burma, near-death, 1976) Watch the video, please close your eyes and think of her, say goodbye, whatever. Let your consciousness reach out into the Universe and be with her, somehow. Also, please honor her and IGNORE THE HATE POSTINGS BELOW THE VIDEO.
Ignore the hate and think only positve thoughts as you close your eyes and reach out. Because dear friend, in the video you’ll see this woman’s pleading eyes as she reaches out to the camera…and lapses mercifully composed in unstained beauty, a woman in her prime…before the sheer violence of the Iranian regime takes her from us, clearly and horribly for us to see and feel sheer compassion for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?eurl=http%3A%2F%2Firan.twazzup.com%2F&feature=player_embedded
&v=bbdEf0QRsLM
My positive thought was to thank her inspiring me to add a few paragraphs to a revised and corrected book manuscript where I’ll take the inherently unbalanced state of singularizing consciousness at the edge of heaven (where it becomes quantum and unable to reincarnate to the familiar gravity well- Earth in our case- and how the unbalanced state eventually leads to the eruption of another “Big Bang” unfolding of a happy new. Just my little effort to create somthing positive as a result of an unknown woman’s murder in Terhan). We’re so lucky Marina has created a forum of consciousness that binds us as time-domain participants in the unfolding mystery! Happy Father’s Day from Laramie!
I hope this link works!
One man’s Mede is another man’s Persian. :mrgreen:
– George Kaufman
Show your support for the people’s voice in Iran. Change your avatars with a green tint overlay. My friends say it really helps to know that we are in support of them. My friends say it gives them strength to go forward and speak up for their rights. I’ve gotten many thanks and from my friends and Yes they do notice. :grin:
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“The graveyards are full of indispensable men.” – Charles de Gaulle 1890-1970
It’s probably OK for normal people to do this. As I read the news, the official government-controlled media in Iran is again blaming Western countries for the protests and for the violence that occurred in Iran.
I hope that our governments are wise enough to keep calm. The best thing that could happen to Ahmadinejad and Khatami (from their perspective) is that strong words by our governments give them the opportunity to present a foreign enemy to the people and to blame the protesters to be unpatriotic. The Iranian regime got so easily away with that in the past when the douchebags in Washington spoke about an axis of evil.
I used to work with the son of Iranian immigrants for a few months some time ago. That guy told me that the Iranians are (for good reasons) a very proud nation. Iran is not just some 3rd-world-country, as some people especially in the US might think. Their ancestors lived in cities, had markets, organized trade, culture and technology while our ancestors still lived in isolated villages and couldn’t read or write.
The brave Iranians who are still on the streets have of course my fullest sympathy.
Are you kidding!? Since when is anything over there legitimate. When you have fundamental Islamic/Muslim ideas and traditions running the governments, peoples and certain groups of people(WOMEN) aren’t even considered to be second class citizens WHATTYA THINK!?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has the money,power and his thugs so he isn’t going anywhere, not to mention that he has the same sentiments along with other Islamic/Muslim countries in that region(They want to kill all the JEWS and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth) and they’re hellbent on making that happen!
I sometimes :?: the legitimacy of voting here in the US but it’s way better here then overthere. I do know people from that region and they tell me the same thing so there is a reason why I have this way of thinking. Anyways that’s my opinion and no the vote over in Iran is not legitimate!
Oh, I haven’t read any other comments on here before submitting mine but I will take a look at what others are saying about this subject matter.
PERSIAN PRIDE…***
His parents also were followers of Zoroastrianism, the main religion of the Parsi people. Although he was not religious as he got older, he is still the only person I’ve ever heard of that was affiliated with these beliefs.
What are those?
Umm, hard for this ole boy to UNDERSTAND, much less explain! :mrgreen: We’ll just let Wiki-Wiki take care of it.
What if nobody cares? :twisted:
;-) they invented gas :?: and fire :!:
Lets vote on winning ‘ball’ games!…REAL_-___Top 10 Biggest Mafias Around the world
Featured Articles :-)
Mafia refers to secretive groups involved in organized crimes spread over a lot of countries. They are usually referred to by the name of the country they originated in and the majority of members will be of this nationality. They usually aspire to have a monopoly over illegal activities like drugs, firearm trafficking, etc. This is an article about the mafia groups and their activities. They are listed in an increasing order of their influence in the world.
10. Jamaican-British Yardies
Jamaican-British Yardies were the Jamaicans who immigrated to Britain in 1950s. They were involved in gang violence and got to be known as Yardies. They conduct organized crimes like drug trade and other gun crimes. They haven’t tried infiltrating the law enforcement system so they aren’t considered to be as strong as other mafia groups. All the crimes involve the use of firearms the use of which is strictly controlled in Britain.
9. The Albanian Mafia
The Albanian Mafia consists of a large number of criminal organizations which are based in Albania. They are active in US and European countries as well. It is said that the Albanian mafia spread to international levels in the 1980s. Organized crime prevailed in Albania right from the 15th century. In United States and United Kingdom, they run sex and drug trafficking rackets and are known for quick use of violence for vengeance.
8. The Serbian mafia
The Serbian mafia operates in more than ten nations including Germany, United States, United Kingdom, France, etc. They are involved in diverse activities like drug trafficking, smuggling, contract killing, protection rackets, gambling and gen thefts. It has three major groups called Vozdovac, Surcin and Zemun which control the smaller groups. Presently there are about 30-40 groups working in Serbia.
7. Israeli Mafia
Israeli Mafia works in a lot of countries in activities like narcotics, drug trafficking and prostitution. Times have changed as the Israeli mafia was once looked at with awe and known for its patronage but today they are ruthless and don’t think twice about killing by standers. The Russian-Israeli Mafia has permeated the US political system so well that the US forces are failing to make any significant progress in stopping them.
6. Mexican Mafia
Mexican Mafia is a very strong prison gang in the United States. It was started in the late 1950s to protect prisoners against other inmates and from the officers. This gang has also been involved in extortion and drug trafficking. It has about 30,000 members all over the United States. The gang members sometimes sport a tattoo with a common design which is a Mexican national symbol over a flaming circle and crossed knives. It is said that there are 150 prison members who have the authority to command murder and 2000 associates who will execute these commands. They force gangs and dealers to pay a protection tax and the ones who refuse will be killed.
5. Japanese Yakuza
Japanese Yakuza is a native organized crime group which uses threat and extortion to get their way. Its origin is found to be in the 17th century. A missing joint of the little finger is a tell tale sign of the gang members. This is often offered to the leader as an act of appeasement or apology. Some of the members even have full body tattoos. It has 110,000 active members in this group who are from 2500 families. They are involved in protection rackets, importing uncensored pornography from Europe and America, prostitution and in illegal immigration.
4. Chinese Triads
Chinese Triads consists of many criminal organizations which are based in Mainland China, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. They are also very active in New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Vancouver as well as San Francisco. Their organized crime involves theft, contract killing, drug trafficking, extortion, piracy, etc. It is now involved in piracy as well. They started in the 18th century but were called Tian Di Hui then. Even though it is steadily increasing in power, the activities have been low key. The triads can have 50 to over 30,000 members. They are also involved in counterfeiting Chinese currency.
3. Colombian Drug Cartels
Colombian Drug Cartels were formed mainly for controlling and trafficking drugs. They operate in a lot of countries. They have many organizations that deal with political, military and legal aspects of the cartels. The important cartels from Columbia are the Cali Cartel, Medellin Cartel and the Norte del Valle Cartel. At one point these cartels were threatened by the extradition treaty between the US and Columbia. The lords went into hiding and ordered its members to kill its supporters. They have also been involved in a lot of kidnappings and terrorism
2. Sicilian and American Cosa Nostra
Sicilian and American Cosa Nostra is a relatively new group. It was started in the second half of the nineteenth century in Italy. In spite of it being a young mafia, it has a great ability to plan large crimes and get away with it. It is involved in protection rackets, drug and arms trafficking, mediation of criminal business are some of the things the Sicilian and American Cosa Nostra are involved in. It has a small number of members ranging from 3500 to 4000. In addition to these members they have associates who aren’t true members. A member will have to undergo the initiation ceremony where he will probably have to murder somebody to prove his worth. Every member will have to follow the code of silence.
1. Russian Mafia…buy love and law :lol: vote for dolts and the colt will demivolt
Russian Mafia originated in the Soviet Union and now has influence all over the world. It has between 100,000 to 500,000 members. They are involved in organized crimes in countries like Israel, Hungary, Spain, Canada, UK, US, Russia, etc. They have also immigrated to Israel, America and Germany by using Jewish and German identities. Their activities include drug and firearm trafficking, bombings, smuggling, pornography, internet fraud, etc. One of their rules is to never co-operate with the authorities. If any of the members squealed when captured, they would be killed on release. They are feared for their vandalism, terrorism, organ trafficking and contract killings.
Seven Seas Of Rhye
Words and music by Freddie Mercury
Fear me you lord and lady preachers
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine
The seven seas of Rhye
Can you hear me you peers and privy councillors
I stand before you naked to the eyes
I will destroy any man who dares abuse my trust
I swear that you’ll be mine
At the seven seas of Rhye
Sister I live and lie for you
Mister do and I’ll die
You are mine I possess you
Belong to you forever
Storm the master marathon I’ll fly through
By flash and thunder fire I’ll survive
I’ll survive I’ll survive
Then I’ll defy the laws of nature
And come out alive
Begone with you you shod and shady senators
Give out the good leave out the bad evil cries
I challenge the mighty titan and his troubadours
And with a smile
I’ll take you to the seven seas of Rhye
:mrgreen: :oops: :mrgreen:
I had an Iranian employee (when I was starting out in business) who was the hardest woking guy ever. He escaped Iran before the Shah was overthrown. He had to leave his home & lucrative Boiler-making business & start all over again (with a young family) in Florida. When the 50+ Americans were taken hostage by the Ayatollah Khomeini’s regime, he had to flee with his family, again, from Florida… starting over again, here in Canada. He now runs his son’s business with him & is re-established as a pillar of the community. His dedication to family & integrity in business remain, despite having his store hit recently by a big mainland theft ring that the cops said had links to organized crime… pretty much everything was taken. Starting over is a lifelong commitment for Bruce (english name) & family.
I found this article interesting and informative:
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/06/the-larger-context-of-the-2009-iranian-elections/#comment-48196
We should remember that Iran is a nation that was bled by the former Shah and his corrupt bureaucracy (with full CIA and U.S. political and industrial support). When I lived in LA I got to meet the greaser who was managing the Shah’s investments in LA real estate ($12 million as I recall). I’ll never forget the house on the hill this guy lived in, the perfect producer’s house with the pool overlooking Sunset Strip…the remote controlled curtains…the cheezy Italian beds with buttons to control the lighting and music. Gold chains and designer sunglasses. That’s what the people of Iran overthrew…and got a fascist theocracy in its place.
It can happen in America also. Here in Wyoming, I’ve been told by a law enforcement officer that I’ve been profiled by the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation as someone with a “propensity to challenge authority”- under a secret Department of Homeland Security program to identify potential leadership in the US that might oppose a future U.S. government action (and what, organize a street demonstration?) Public records show that $300 million in camps have been built along the Mexican border (for people like me! I’ll have a home after the Apocalypse :-) Each camp can hold 5,000 people. It’s America’s future gulag, built with the cover story that those pesky Mexicans might flood north! In fact, the camps are there in case of a nuclear terrorist attack on LA or any other “need” to round up gang members, opposition leadership… and cat lovers…:-)
Knowing this, you should all laud Marina’s dog(s) and make your DOG LOVING known so nobody ever questions that you might be a secret CAT lover!
Arf Arf!
I have heard of people being targeted like that. Glenn Beck did a study on the camps with Popular Mechanics and found that the whole camp thing is bullshit. There are NO CAMPS. Please, we have got REAL problems right now in this country(and for the next 1238 days); lets not fan the flames. :|
Unless, of course, if you have some form of a link to said camps. Here is mine
NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html
I researched the matter for my book. The camps are currently just excavated pads with plumbing and electrical, with modular buildings and stored tents, etc. They can be activated within days of an executive order, using state national guards for the task. You’ll never know anything on Fox. Thank goodness it’s just one of 500 channels and nothing on.
I did not know you wrote a book. What is its title? Can you help me with this paragraph from The Times article?
A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Jamie Zuieback, said KBR would build the centers only in an emergency like the one when thousands of Cubans floated on rafts to the United States. She emphasized that the centers might never be built if such an emergency did not arise.
I guess I should get me a subscription to the NY Times to stay informed. That, or read your book, huh?! Thank Goodness we have intelligent people like you here at HFW to make sure we get “The REAL Story”, you investigative journalist, you.
My NEW Hero
:oops: try this Glenn Beck debunks FEMA
Peace
Cat lovers arf arf? That is all you have to say about this? That is your conclusion?
¡Caray wyo550! But some like dogs, some like cats. ¿Eh? Whatcha gonna do about it?
Someone on the news said it in a nutshell:
“This was a ‘selection’ not an ‘election’.”
It is such a shame that not everyone can have such a perfect system as us ‘Maircuns do…
Reminds of this story that this young, hick town Rabbi told awhile back. Something ’bout getting the stick out of my own eye before I comment on the speck in my neighbor’s eye.
Where(wear) black… :mrgreen: :razz: :mrgreen:
Hmmm…politics, eh? Are people still doing that? I was hoping we’d grown out of needing a teenage babysitter.
Apparently not judging by the content of the replies.
For crying out loud! Politicians are overpaid, agressive, incompetant morons who cannot do the job they say they are willing to do. I don’t think we should patronize them by paying any mind to them. Let them work for their pay. Let the one’s who sincerely want to help the world and/or their communities do it because its their passion not because of some perverted need for attention.
This sort of subject only encourages showoffs with an ‘important’ interest and an overinflated sense of moral superiority to talk really boringly about famous/infamous people they don’t know personally.
Seems like animalntaz (below) is the only comment worth reading here.
On to more important things: love your new hair style Marina. ;-)
Who knows for sure? But my most trusted Middle East commentator’s trusted source says it was probably legit.
Worth a read:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-iran-erupts-as-voters-back-the-democrator-1704810.html
It is nice to believe that the attractive, intelligent young ladies we see on the TV voicing their opposition to Ahmadinejad represent a majority, but it probably ain’t so.
“Iran Vote Legit or Not?”
Not legit. The country is under a dictatorship how can any election be fair and legit.
I’ll never be able to visit Iran again! I just became a follower of the leading opposition candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi on this Twitter thread: http://twitter.com/mousavi1388
END GAME: I suspect that the same thing will happen to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as happened to Boris Yeltsin in Russia in 1990. Whenever elites (like the Clerics in Iran or the Siloviki in Russia) decide that “their” man has out-lived his usefulness…he’s replaced.
All that needs to happen now is for Moussavi to assure the Iranian military that the nuclear weapons program will continue and the ruling clerics that their constitutional control will continue to be absolute… and the governing council could simply find “upon further examination” that the vote was “flawed” and a “runoff” election scheduled “since neither of the top two had 50% of the vote needed under the constitution.”
For the West, the problem is the huge disparity in Iran- between urban educated middle class and rural tribal hicks; as is the case throughout the middle and far east. Western TV coverage of urban Tehran’s “unhappy mood” is a fraction of the (undramatic for TV) support for the fascist theocracy that remains in the villages of Iran…just as the tribes of Pakistan’s ungoverned regions still harbor bin Laden. When you can’t believe in human governance, spiritual belief is all that’s left for the poor and Iran combines it into a theocracy. Perfect!
Just shows how lucky we are to be sipping lattes on Grand Avenue and Melrose!
In that country there is no way of knowing for sure. I would be most suspicious of the Government. They are in the best position to steal elections or anything else.
By the way, is ACORN over there supporting the incumbent?
I thikn I read something about them being there, so yes.
I don’t claim to be an expert on Iranian politics, but judging by reports in the media and the rioting I’d guess the election wasn’t legit. The polls said before the election that the race was close and the experts wouldn’t have been surprised if Ahmadinejad lost the election. However it was reported that Ahmadinejad won by a landslide, winning 60% percent of the vote. Something smells fishy to me. Can you smell what I smell? rovidershttp://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif Why would the government block social networks websites and disable cell phones?
Marina, I am a politician in Eastern Europe; my daughter is a big fan of yours;
I don’t want you to make a bad idea about what happened in Iran or Georgia;
I don’t know how the CA citizen receive the information.
-in Iran Ahmadinejad won with rural citizen votes (to much religion engalfing modern ideas)
-in Georgia Sakasvilli killed 1273 russian citizen (with guns provided by US) in Olympic games time=> Georgia will never see Afhazia in it’s borders again and S osetia no sooner then 30 years
PS: As your mom said you’re to much in the boobies on internet and be wise who you mary BYE
Is there an echo in here?
Marina, I am a politician in Eastern Europe; my daughter is a big fan of yours; I don’t want you to make a bad idea about what happened in Iran or Georgia I don’t know how the CA citizen receive the information. -in Iran Ahmadinejad won with rural citizen votes (to much religion engalfing modern ideas) -in Georgia Sakasvilli killed 1273 russian citizen (with guns provided by US) in Olympic games time=> Georgia will never see Afhazia in it’s borders again and S osetia no sooner then 30 years PS: As your mom said you’re to much in the boobies on internet and be wise who you mary BYE ;-)
I don’t even know what’s going on, I haven’t been watching or reading the news at all lately. I don’t even understand politics.
Yes… good to see you here!!! Look up.
The intimidation and violence focused by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on his opponent’s supporters should draw international condemnation and sanctions. Ahmadinejad’s launching of an inquiry into possible election “irregularities” is laughable.
As an Iranian, I believe that this elections was NOT legit.
It doesn’t happen only in my country, I think it happens everywhere! Like what happened in US, too :)
But now these ppl don’t fight just for the elections, there are many other problems too, some of them need freedom, some need their votes back! and… but now all of them are one! and they may do something, too.
Anyway the government had blocked so many websites yesterday, like twitter, friendfeed, facebook, and the mobile phones are out of service that means no SMS or calls and more… that it means they afraid if ppl may get connected with each other… what does it mean?!
P.S: sorry for poor English ;-)
ah, great to see an iranian on here. hi, persikade!
we’re having this little discussion below about the guardian council. it’d be cool if you could post a few lines about it. like, who’s in there, what do they really do, what’s their purpose, etc. i know way too little about this.
Hmm, sorry but I think I didn’t get what you exactly mean :???:
But you can contact me on Yahoo Messenger if I can help you and there we may talk about it… my ID is: [email protected]
;-)
okay, just added you.
Legit like Louisiana elections word is Jeb Bush helped with the counting :lol:
Under the current Iranian constitution, no election can be considered democratic. Iranian elections are flawed by design.
There’s no freedom to run for any office in Iran. The Guardian Council, which is an unelected body, has the power to disqualify any candidate for being morally inadequate, not Islamic enough or similar reasons. This has happened very frequently in the past years. The former “liberal” president Mohammad Khatami is said to have refused to run in the 2009 elections because he expected to be disqualified by that council.
Prior to the 2008 parliament elections, that council disqualified members of parliament who have appeared to be too liberal. That has guaranteed a solid conservative majority in the current “parliament”.
Iranian elections are somehow comparable to the “elections” in the former East Bloc. The difference to these elections is that Iranian voters have some sort of choice, but that’s only the choice between hard-line conservatives and conservatives.
your point being …?
no. where are you from?
Hmmmm? That council’s power to disqualify a candidate for not being pious enough or similar reasons is the power to arbitrarily decide upon whether someone can run for an office or not.
It is somehow comparable. In both cases, the power of an unelected body, be it called “National Front” or “Guardian Council”, guarantees that only a supporter of the system can be elected as president and that the supporters of the system have control in parliament. The forgeries that have apparently been taken place are also something that could be seen in Eastern Europe before 1989. I’ve also mentioned a major difference.
I’m curious to read your arguments ;-)
are you saying that this is wrong? like the iranian ambassador said, they have a “religious political system”. so, it seems only natural to me that a candidate is expected to be a “pious” man.
that may sound strange to most people living over here or in the u.s. but i guess most people are culturally and/or ideologically biased. i don’t know.
(on a side note, you see that all the time, you know, politicians resigning because they didn’t live up to certain “moral” standards, or moral expectations. like, going to a prostitute or something. pure evil.;))
i’m not sure what you mean by “system”. the political system? well, as you know, over here you have to be a supporter of the “system” as well … meaning you have to be “committed” to “democracy”.
your comparison. i don’t know. i don’t really want to get into that. in my opinion, the systems differ way too much.
Well if Bush can steal the election in the US than I would say it is highly possible for someone to steal the election in Iran.
It’s to bad because the bulk of the Iranian ppl are good ppl. My impression is the young tech savvy generation do not share the fanaticism of the “religious” types.
Peace
Che
recommending these tweets coming out of iran.
iranriggedelec
tehranbureau
persiankiwi
You KNOW it was rigged when the winner describes the loser as having run a “red light and got a ticket.”
That’s what the newly elected president of Iran had to say about the whole electoral process: That anybody who dared oppose the fascist clergy, military and entrenched elite of “Revolutionary” Iran was a fool who simply needed to be ticketed.
We’ve now all seen how tickets are handed out in Tehran: With steel chains, whipped by unofficial militias at women who are called whores as they are branded with steel. In my book, the rise of the Apocalypse comes from the competition of elites, the military, the political and the religious…all vying for power and control, This is a textbook example (as is Burma’s militocracy and North Korea’s national gulag.) The motto of my book certainly rings true in Tehran this morning, “Nothing means Nothing. Have a Nice Day.”
Yo wyo550! What you say makes some sense, I reckon. Yeah. Elected, elected is a big word. We should rather say “elected”. I mean, we should rather write (or type) “elected”. Or ‘elected’. Was he “elected” or elected? Was he not ‘elected’? That’s a pretty big Q, indeed.
“The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” – Malcolm X (1925-1965)
When change is necessary, it will come. If it doesn’t come from ballots, it will come from bullets.
Word up hotrocky! When change is necessary, it comes, sooner or later. But are you saying there’s a similarity between ballots and bullets, in the sense that they can bring some change along them?
If ballots or bullets are to be used for a job, they should be used wisely. And they should be sized just right, or there will be way too much collateral damages. All the minor stuff we don’t think about, you know? Some bullets are GARGANTUESQUE badasses, literally. They’re a whole busload of explosive stuff! They’ll nuke it all if you crack-em up. Think about the fuel they consume to propel themselves to their target. As my gran’pa used to say, long time ago on his land, where a spermatozoidly sized bullet does the job, why send the USS Enterprise, right? Plus rabbits run faster than elephants.
My point was that if the ballots are used correctly, the bullets may not be necessary. Fixed elections can make the bullets inevitable. I don’t agree with collateral damage. Any plan that includes murdered children is not okay with me.
@hotrocky
I agree with your point. But there’s also another one which I can see: If a bullet is used correctly, a ballot may not be necessary. Well placed bullets can make the election inevitable. Such is our world.
I agree with you. Collateral damage is never acceptable. But how come we see a lot of it, every day? Day after day?
Ballots empower the masses. Should we assume that the masses should govern? That the most numerous are the most fit to be empowered? Shouldn’t the power be in the hands of the most virtuous, instead?
Every ballot has its mass, just like every bullet has its gun, just like every rose has its thorn, just like every night has its dawn, just like every cow-boy sings his sad, sad song.
Erm.. Let’s cut the inspiration short. Some of them are just too big for the jobby. (o;
just like every rose has its thorn, just like every night has its dawn, just like every cow-boy sings his sad, sad song.
A POISON song to make a political statement?
Ballots empower the masses. Should we assume that the masses should govern? That the most numerous are the most fit to be empowered?
I thought that was what a DEMOCRACY was!
Shouldn’t the power be in the hands of the most virtuous, instead?
You expect to find virtuousness in IRAN!? Even Moudavi admits to having 8,000 people killed over a three week period in the early 80′s. Thats like trying to find honesty in American politics.
Hey, did you hear that BHO created another Agency yesterday? Its basically going to do what the Fed and the SEC were supposed to be doing all along but that is going to make jobs! At least 5 or 6, making probably 60,000/year at a cost of over 100,000/job. And did anybody notice that when they passed the stimulus bill, they said unemployment would stay below 8%? It is now at 9.4% and rising. Of course, they have since revised it to 10%. But that is NOT lying, it is revising. It is true. The only campaign promise BHO is interested in keeping is closing Gitmo. Things are getting better, though. Why, the president is going to have his very own show to talk about health care reform. Didn’t invite any GOP. So much for “reaching across the aisle”. One more. Health care is now over a TRILLION and counting and the CBO says it will cover less than half of the uninsured. What a GREAT president!! :sad:
@beevee14
Poison song? Not really poison anymore, since I added “Every ballot has its mass and every bullet has its gun”. Half-poison maybe?
You thought well. A democracy is the power of the mass. Provided elections are not rigged and provided anyone can run for elections. If there is any rigging, favouritism and flaws somewhere, it becomes a dictatorship or plutocracy.
I expect to find much more Amnesty International in Iran than virtue, to be honest.
The rest of your post has to deal with US politics I think (correct me if I’m wrong). I don’t know what BHO is, I’ll leave it to you and I’ll assume you are right (for now), since you seem to be an expert in the matter.
Legit or not? Who the hell knows?
“The most spiritual human beings, assuming they are the most courageous, also experience by far the most painful tragedies: but it is precisely for this reason that they honour life, because it brings against them its most formidable weapons.” – Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
Doesn’t matter if it’s legit or not.
It’s their country, they own everything about it and their leadership.
If it’s legit, then fine, they take ownership of what their leader leads them into.
If it’s not legit then it up to them to overthrow that little nerdy moron.
If they don’t want to change it, then they have to live with it.
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Mance Lipscomb Interview on Religion :lol: :mrgreen: :razz: :roll: This is a portion of Interviews that were recorded in September 1966 in Navasota Texas by Michael Birnbaum. Most of these photographs were taken by Eddie Iwaki who accompanied Birnbaum to Navasota. Birnbaum contributed about 15 hours of recordings to Prof. Wilgus at UCLA in 1966 and they have now become part of the collection in the Ethnomusicology Library at UCLA.
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I just saw where the election bureau is officially protesting the elections. Already hundreds of thousands in the streets(and NOT at work) bound to grow larger with this info. I haven’t heard if the US president is going to speak on this today but Americas response will be interesting. I think we are witnessing a great and terrible moment in history… :smile: :sad:
seems to be an awful lot of public opposition to a vote that was (supposedly) based on public voice. My first impression is “illegit.”
You know it was crap.
1) Anyone can vote (not just registered users)
2) Can vote multiple times.
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There’s no way I can make a determination on this since I’m not there participating. But I’ll say this:
Somebody isn’t being honest. The truth has a way of seeking the daylight. Things will only get more difficult for those who obfuscate the truth the longer it is kept waiting.
What’s legit there?
R WE 2 cArE :lol: :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmygV0OdT0…pretty rUSsiAn girls…. :-)
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Respect what freedom you inherently have because the “hanging chad” has a different meaning in countries where people are pistol whipped in the market places for looking at someone in the “so-called” wrong way
BUT not in
:| Legit or not, If I lived in Iran I would vote very carefully
Who voted legit? its a Fiasco…
The election is completely illegitimate. The results came out too early and with too many reports of workers being conspicuously shut out of their offices while numbers and counts just magically appeared. Most Iranians are fairly well educated and this may be the last straw for them. This election is so important for so many reasons, not just for Iranians, but for the region and ultimately for the shape of the world to come in the next few years. Why I haven’t seen better coverage on networks like CNN or more concern expressed from the White House is disconcerting (extremely disconcerting). I hope a peaceful resolution will come but as time goes by that hope grows dimmer and dimmer.
I can’t believe it. The Teacher is putting out Political subject matter? Somebody go get Cha-Cha? :twisted: (Whatever happened to him?)
And NO, I do NOT think the election is legit. You don’t beat people in the streets if you are Righteous! :|
I think he became demon-cRatic :twisted: :mrgreen: :cool:
;-)
Theory:
He finally said ‘to hell with it!’, took his baseball cards, and headed for the shelter kinda like Christopher Walken in “Blast From The Past.” ;-) He set the time lock for late November 2012. It is rumored that on certain nights if you stand by the ventilator shaft, you can hear a chant, very faintly and growing stronger all of the time:
Newt!
Newt!Newt!
Newt!
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“I’m not a member of any organized political party, I’m a Democrat!” – Will Rogers 1879-1935…my training wheels…first stop for you —[sweeden]
First(?)(!)
Who is this…[legit] and I quit
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