Nerd Word of the Day: iPhoneover

I want one, glad I waited,

{Che wonders how they AT&T or whoever can justify the high cost.}

nice

…the geek take-over is on

:P

[wonders]

{Che wonders how they AT&T or whoever can justify the high cost.}

:P

I just wonder ehat the price in Sweden will be… :wink:
but i will never the less eventually bye a new one :grin:

MatsRG

http://myiphone.se

Where the hell is our bailout!!!!!! :smile: :shock: :twisted:

:eek: He’s right- gotta have it :!:

Maybe GM can start making iphones.

:smile: Lew Alcindor at his great, dominating as never will do again, Wes Unseld just can latch on to Kareem as a post, …JABBAR to Marina :grin:

I’d really rather buy another gun. (I’ll never make the geekhood, dang it).

Welcome to what we call in the industry as ‘Feature Creep’, or I like to call it ‘Product Creep’. :twisted:

via wiki:
“The most common cause of feature creep is the desire to provide the consumer with a more useful or desirable product, in order to increase sales. However, once the point at which a product does everything that it is expected to do is reached, the manufacturer is left with the choice of adding unneeded functions or sticking with the old product.”

In my experience the goal if product sales is to convince the customer that they need to replace such and such product every other year. This keeps a steady flow in profits that appeals to stock market investors. Products are engineered to only last 2 or 3 years. This is in contrast how products like the old TV was engineered to last 20 years. Companies make more money by having you buy an inexpensive product and have you replace it every 2 years in time they make more money than the product that last 20 years. Heck I still have an electric shaver that is about
23 years old and it still runs. In fact it does a better job than my $200 computerized shaver. :shock:

People ask me how is it possible this recession happen in the modern day? Well we all are to pay some contribution to this issue. People have been programmed to want things they don’t really need to be happy. Spend, spend, spend. Some people make light of this called retail therapy. Companies cheer for the existence of that term for it increase sales. :shock:

Back to the iPhone phenonomum. The concept of the iPhone was out long before the first iPhone was released. The technology was there. But the industry wanted to just release one or two new features every year or so in order to increase cash flow on a product until the day it would have all the features of what the first iPhone had on it’s debut. When Apple released the iPhone it caused quite a rumble in the industry. You see Apple didn’t invent the iPhone per say for the technology was already out there. Apple took a bold move to bring out all the new technology at once to in order to grab market share. This was a risk for when you have your business model engineered to have customers replace their products every two years you need something new to attract sales.

Like we always say in the business, “A sucker and their money are soon parted.” Don’t feel to bad; I’ve been in the business for years and I still sometimes fall for the shams. :neutral:

The iPhone is not a sham.. it is the most amazing device I have ever owned. The problem is not companies tying to screw us, it is the stock market and its mentality that you have to have increasing sales every quarter… so companies hold back on features so that they can offer upgrades down the road… OR… Apple is just working as quickly as AT&T will let them in offer features: AT&T wouldn’t let Apple offer MMS or Video until now due to bandwidth concerns for example.
I do feel that the ability for me to record video is definitely a reason for me to buy the new iPhone as it will allow me to shoot more spontaneous videos.. so there is a definite reason for me to upgrade and once I unlock my phone and sell it on eBay, I actually end up MAKING money upgrading :-)

:smile: Marina is

SMART

:smile: [try]or…[tied]

Sometimes waiting it out for a while has its benefits. I bought a iTouch and I am happy with it. Now that they have upgraded and upgraded the iPhone… by the time I get one… it will be something way over the top… like point a high frequency beam at a dog and it will instantly shut up! :razz: :lol:

The AT&T Tilt device (released in mid 2007 or earlier) had video recording capabilities. The iPhone is superior to the Tilt, but I do not understand your remark about AT&T not supporting video: see page 35 (watching TV) and 37 (taking and sending videos) http://member.america.htc.com/download/web_materials/QSG/ATT_Tilt/ATT_Tilt_English_GSG.pdf

sweetie get the g1 google phone from T-mobile its a better phone :razz:

check out the touch g2 android phone it has more features better and no keyboard at all the replacement of the google g1 i have now the new one is 100% better full touch screen :wink:

Dear Marina,
Well, I just watched the Lakers lose a very close game. Kobe missed many free throws, when he usually is very accurate, there. The Lakers can play better and perhaps will win on Thursday.
I also plan to buy an Apple iPhone 3-GS, but I will wait a few months. Sometimes, they might discover “bugs” later, or require recalls for other reasons. I’ll be happier with a proven product. It’ll be my first cell phone, asfter all these years. It has so many features like video and video editing, GPS, a compass, games, etc. I’m more likely to use t as an Internet device when I travel, rather than as a phone.
Because I plan to use it on the Internet frequently, I’ll select one of the costlier service plans that permit unlimited calls. It will be expensive when I buy it in October or November, but I hope it will make me more productive than before! :razz:
Seesixcm6

[nite]

“The technology was there. But the industry wanted to just release one or two new features every year or so in order to increase cash flow”

If the technology was there, why didn’t anyone else go ahead to challenge Apple, and make a better model?
I agree with CJ on the physical or moral depreciation of some merchandise… simply because it’s true. :-)

Wait a minute!
Explain why would someone buy a 3G for $600, when the 3GS is available for less than that, and it’s brand new. (warranty and everything)

OF course in your case this could be an exception.
This being hotforwords’s phone, you might as well auction it right here on the site! :D

Because the 3GS phone has not been unlocked yet and it doesn’t cost $299.. it’s actually $699 without a contract, $299 with 2 yr contract

OK, then it was Apple taking its time. I heard that AT&T was worried about the onslaught to their bandwidth, but perhaps I’m wrong. Whatever the case, the new 3GS makes sense for me and I can ultimately upgrade for free.

:smile: Good thinking…an [auction] :razz: :mrgreen: :lol:

So you will cancel your current AT&T service, so you may buy a half price iPhone 3GS, right?
If you do that, then here are 2 resources I found that can help you unlock your old iphone yourself:
- iphoneunlocking;
- solutioniphone;

Good luck, I’m sure you’ll make the best choice. ;)

I want a cell phone with one function: phone.

The Lakers are clearly the better team. What I don’t understand is why they don’t get the ball to Gasol more often. Maybe having Howard guarding him is a factor (humor). But, with their talent (Bryant, Odum, Fisher, Ariza, Bynum) the Lakers can afford to use Gasol to keep Howard occupied. BTW- Gasol is listed as a power forward. Not bad having a 7 footer at PF. Meanwhile, the Magic are hurting at point guard, which is the major reason they lost game 2. In game 3, the Magic had a rookie guarding Kobe, and he was faked out like 7 times resulting in easy foul shots for Kobe, in what would otherwise have been a low percentage shots. Anyhow, starting PG Alston was key for that win by the Magic. However, Turkoglu has traditionally played poorly on his home court, and last night was really a aberration for him. So look for the Magic to lose, as is your prediction, on Thursday. I’m pulling for the underdog, Magic, because I have too much heart, and not enough brains. Also, I want Pietrus to do good, since he was a Golden State Warrior for a few seasons.

I’m with you, muggins.

I have to admit, I’m a sucker for stuff that works also. I bought my LG flip-phone outright for just under $200 over five years ago, and am only paying $15 monthly on the “pay-as-you-go” plan, which suits me fine. I’ve dropped it onto hard surfaces like concrete without it breaking a dozen times or more. Try that with your blackberry or iPhone. No contracts, no camera, no games, no BS. I already have a camera. I already have a GPS receiver. I already have a computer. I just need a reliable phone.

My brother gripes about his iPhone ALL THE TIME because whenever it rings, he inadvertently brushes the touch-screen while pulling it out of his pocket, scrambling it to another function he wasn’t wanting to use. I hope I’m nowhere nearby when he drops it on the pavement….

Reminds me of when the Razor came out for like $600 and you couldn’t even get insurance! The company is practically telling you that it is NOT a very sturdy piece of equipment. And it wasn’t! :sad:
I’m with you, P9, I just want a phone with good reception. That is IT! :mrgreen:

How about this: I live so far out in the woods that not only am I still on dial-up; but I HAVE to use Verizon because they are the only company with a tower close by!

…and ammo. Anyhow, that’s the spirit !

I did not say an iPhone is a sham. Far from it. I think the iPhone is an awesome product. I’m a dyed in the wool Mac Addict. Even my screen name on AOL/AIM is ‘macaddictt’. The first computer I laid hands was a Apple II. I still have a Mac SE/30! That’s a mac with 30 meg hard drive! Top of the line back in those days. It’s retail price was $2,000! I’m addicted to macs. That’s no secret by any means.

Yes the stock market is much to blame here but companies are an accessory to the action. I have seen other companies mention to their share holders that they are not playing this game and offer the words that if they just hang in there they will make their money in long run. I’m not in any way suggesting that Apple is playing to the share holders 100% as many other companies do. I see them about 50/50 which it best.

AT&T is WAY behind in offering it’s new 4G service (Long Term Evolution (LTE) which is 5 times faster than anything we have now. AT&T announced its next-generation 4G network will be commercially available in 2011. The carrier had previously said the new network would begin trials in 2010. The new iPhone with …. I can’t say… was to be mention next … I still can’t say. From what I have seen of this new 4G service, I’m going to hang on until that comes and camp out in line to buy that iPhone. If it where not for the recession among some other things, we would have these phones in our hands in second or third quarter of 2010.

As your idea of unlocking your iPhone and selling it for more or even break even it SMART thinking. Kudos to you Marina! Always & always find creative ways of recovering at least half of your money. I have friends and my brother that works in sanitation departments and they tell me the stuff people throw away would SHOCK people. They have seen 42 inch plasma TV in working order with just a few scratches on the trim. Dresses with the price tags still on them. You name it they have seen it. As many of us know we are a throwaway society. People are to damn lazy to drive to their local Goodwill or the like. As the old saying goes, one persons trash is another’s treasure chest.

I think if everyone followed Marina in finding smart ways of upgrading their electronics the world would be a better place. :mrgreen:

Yes, but the current 3G can not support the current number of iPhone users. They had planed to offer 4G just around the corner but now have switch technologies. AT&T goal is to do it right the first time. Though they fail at the goal many times they still try for the gold ring and I think that’s good thinking.

Why didn’t they? Well they are now doing it. Have you seen the new phones out now that are trying to compete with the iPhone? Like I had said before the industry was caught with their pants down. The wireless companies when to their suppliers and asked for the greatest phones they could make. Now there are all kinds of cool smart phones out there.

So why didn’t they offer better phones long before Apple did? Well the companies have something like a monopoly. Well that’s not the word I’m looking for but they all play the game. For example in other markets; I talked to a Verizon FIOS rep about when they where going to offer their service in Seattle. She told me they will never offer service in Seattle for they are in agreement of established territories. Quest stays out of Verizon as Verizon stays out of Quest area. This way they can keep their prices high and both companies will make more money this way.

I have learned a lesson many years ago that it was much more profitable to work with your competitors than to directly fight against them. I could write a book about what I experienced in tactics I’ve used in fighting against companies vs working with them.

@Captain Jack

I don’t know what all the fuss is about but for my money this is the phone for me :arrow:

http://obscurantist.com/images/lobster-telephone-1936-au.jpg

I filed it under mitigation: KISS- “Keep It Simple Sam”

All phones are subsidize when you sign a 2 year contract. Part of that money goes to the cost of the phone. Take any phone and double the price and that’s about the true cost of a phone. Remember free phones? There is no such thing. You end up paying for it in your monthly bill. Sneaky hu? But hey you can make payments on that phone so there is little upfront cost. It’s a win win I think but it does open the door for abuse. I wonder how much they made from people who got that free phone with the $99 plan?

OMG! that’s the perfect phone! LOL!!! :lol: Now I have to get one so I can call my favorite mermaid.

Copy that. Sometimes a thinner phone isn’t a better phone.

Hey, just because nobody strung a cable to your house doesn’t mean you’re underpriviledged. You have a phone line, at least. I keep my land line also, it’s the only service that still works during windstorms and power outages.

There are some definite perks to living in the sticks. No matter where you live there’ll be some drawbacks, but out in the boonies there’s a kind of peace you just don’t find closer to the city. I like it.

So we can safely say that we have two leaders. One political and one economical. I’m sure that they do as they please, regardless of the negative impacts that they have on us. I don’t think that people’s way of thinking differs much from Anne Boleyn’s times, in 1536.
- Do you have an iphone?
- No, I don’t.
- OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

but out in the boonies there’s a kind of peace you just don’t find closer to the city. I like it.

I read you five by five, P! Most of my family lives in the Queen City about 30 miles SE of here(no smog here!), and EVERY weekend, we have someone up. That reads like a complaint, but it isn’t. On five acres, we can play any sport we want, dune buggies, grilling, bon fires, camping out, you name it! Also, we live on a hill so the sunsets are GREAT! I try to take at least one picture a week of them. I send them to my mom and shes like, “We have the same thing here.” I text back, “Yeah, but what about the buildings in the way!”

Talk about the sticks:
In ’94, I moved from the city to the Jackson Purchase area of Kentucky. This is the most western corner of the state that is so far out there that when Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase, they forgot this little piece of land just west of the Cumberland and Tennessee Rivers and just east of the Mississippi. Andrew Jackson had to buy it, hence the name. I lived about 30 miles from Podunk!( Yes, it is a real place; No, I do NOT advise going there unless you need corn whiskey or something to smoke!) :mrgreen:
Anyway, I lived down there for about a year, ughhh, getting to know the (female) population. Then I went whole hog, got married, bought a farm, got pregnant, and got livestock. I also got Carrhart overalls and a Leatherman, which is really all you need for day-to-day operation of a farm.
We burned our own trash, killed our own food, had a well, and I cleared pasture for the wood burning stove! We had TVA electricity and a phone line and that was IT! That was a pretty big jump for this old city boy and, man, do I have some stories!(Also had a 2 1/2 car garage with a fridge, stove and a bathroom. Once I got my drums in there, it quickly became “The Party Shack!” Good Times and more stories :twisted: )

BTW, there is nothing quite like working cattle in zero degrees at dawn and looking at that smoke rising out of the chimney. Knowing you cut and split EVERY piece and your wife and baby are warm because of it; man, that is a feeling I’ll never forget! Completeness :smile:

Sorry for the long post! Memory Lane and all of that… :neutral:

Yeah, that’s what I’m talkin’ about. There’s just NO WAY a person who gets everything pre-packaged off a shelf and/or buys their entire sealed, sterilized, climate-controlled living environment from a developer or a home-owners’ association can ever understand that kind of life, and the depth of meaning it lends to the word “home.” Good on ya, BV.

Here’s a cold one on me []. Well of course it’s in a can! What, did you think I was going to hump a bunch of glass bottles all the way over to your comment? Sheesh. :cool:

Yeah, and ammunition is VERY hard to come by in many locales, thanks to…crap, Marina doesn’t like political diatribes here, so shut my mouth.

You guys are so right. I retreat to my friend’s little ranch (about 300 acres) fairly regularly to regain what’s left of my sanity. As Mr. Nugent says: “Kill It And Grill It”.

Interesting little tidbit of history, beevee14 says, thanks for that. The Uncle Sam did a deal with the Chickasaw for that land, according to Wikipedia.
They got a partial payment and they had to wait 30 years to get it. What I gathered was that the balance was forfeited because the Chickasaw, then relocated in Oklahoma at the time of the Civil War , sided with the South.