Changes at YouTube (that have had an effect on me)

Oh No

When’s the time you posted this I thought you went beddy bye.

That’s it try to keep a positive attitude.

….changes have also inadvertently resulted in ONLY videos appealing to young people being seen anymore.

Can you be more specific on what YT said?

Never mind you don’t have to answer the above question.

I’ve witness my three preteen nieces on YT and have a good idea what appeals kids at that age. They have accuse me of not knowing how to use YT.

When you say you don’t think these changes will not stick around forever it makes me wonder what kind of decision are being made in the hierarchy of YT. Their ppl cannot decide on a proper course of action. Sounds like a bunch of young inexperience ppl on in control.

If that’s the way TeenTube wants to go, you have to adapt to keep your foot in the door.
Have you considered making videos that you want to make (and your fans want you to make) and hosting them on an alternative video site?

I love the angry Marvin the martian.

The issue Bob is that YouTube has the highest number views in the world. They generate more traffic than any other video hosting site. YouTube generates the most revue for it’s partners out of all other video hosting sites.

Hey Marina, first, let me say that we I love you, and I am here to support you in any way I can. That strike out was for aLx. :lol:

I think you did the right thing above in presenting a short introduction, and my vote is for you to present the 4 hour detailed post. You know that I will read every word. Not only is it important for me, but since you spent so much time on it, I’m sure that you got a lot off of your chest as a catharsis and hopefully I can find ways to assist you.

Dear Marina,
To appeal to teenagers, I see you posted a cartoon character called “Marvin the Martian” with the caption, “Angry.” You definitely know how to aim for the demographic YouTube favors! :smile:
Why on earth would they want their site to favor teenagers? Yes, they are a large market segment with lots of spending power, but it would limit YouTube’s advertising prospects to young fashion items, cosmetics, lingerie, movies, cheap jewelry and electronic gadgets. :shock:
YouTube would no longer get ads for headache pills, cold remedies, digestive aids, or girls from foreign countries who want to marry you! (Oh, now I see why they want this change!)
I hope you continue to post videos. I think you’re the best psrt of YouTube! :razz:
Seesixcm6

Regarding “These changes have also inadvertently resulted in ONLY videos appealing to young people being seen anymore.” — I thought that was YT/Google’s intent. Has YT explicitly said that they are not attempting to appeal to young people only? Have they explicitly said anything concerning targeting (or not targeting) YT to any particular group?

Regarding “I don’t think this change will stick around forever… ” one way it will not last forever is by YT changing its current direction; the other way is by other venues catching up and overtaking YT viewership (currently at 5.3B). (I am more optimistic about the second way, provided the government stops tinkering with the economy.)

Hey Marina,
I got antsy and impatient and pulled the plug one day early. :smile: Friday should be another sunny day. :grin:

Marina,

Thank you for that. It has been so obvious that much more was going on with you behind the scenes than you were letting on. Although it might not be appropriate or even possible, I wish you could share as much information as you feel comfortable divulging during this period. This update meant the world to me, and as PK already stated, I would really like to read your “extended play” version.
Marina, you are always here for us with HFW. Please know that I, and many, many others, are always here for YOU. I’m not tech-savy, but I’d let you scream at me, or cry on my shoulder, or anything if it would help.
Love you.

Always.

I would venture myself to say that the first thing to learn from teenagers in these though times is the difference between affect and effect!

So you are an employee :roll:

Hello…who da brain?

C_R_A_Z_Y…L-A-Z-Y…all [capital exploits]…LUV

EFFECTIVE efficiencyengineer E.G.A.L.-i-T.A.R.-I-an****[EGGS, not rotten of Goose...fab

[Ef.fer.Vesce]..peace and love , the last of leonard

AIRheads Uknight :grin:

Hey Marina. Thank you very much for communicating your intentions. Keep us informed is really a good thing. Don’t be like YouTube when they just go do things and not tell anyone.

You still have the longer explanation of this? how about posting in the forums page? No sense letting 4 hour of your work to waste for starving students wanting to hear what you have to say.

:smile:

Damn I had a page open for my last post and 7 more post came after I had finish my post. I guess taking 2 hours to post is a bit long. Funny I was thinking the same thing as you were. :)

“I do believe that”… effect should be affect in your title of this post. I could be wrong… I am not an expert in this sort of thing… still learning, however, this has somehow affected me “to this effect”. :?: :shock: :smile:

Just as Marina is ready to kick the football Lucy pulls it away ;-)

Because YT is operated by teenagers. Hence would explain the inexpirenced decisions they have been making.

LOL Che Volay!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: That’s the same point I have been trying to get out months ago.

You are right. She used “effected” when she should have used “affected.” I have to use a little trick to help me remember this one. This one may not make sense to you, but it does help me, so here it is:

“Effect” starts with an “e,” and “verb” has an “e,” therefore I would think that “effect” is a verb, but that is WRONG. “Effect” with an “e” is a NOUN. “Affect” with an “a” is the verb.

This only works with the “affect” that means to cause action. The psychological term meaning an ability to feel emotion is a noun, but the pronunciation is different. The “a” is clearly pronounced as in “tap.”

I told you it was convoluted, but it works for me. Stick to the second paragraph, the rest is just somebody being being who he is. :???: :roll:

Tend to have an uncanny ability to reduce thoughts to their simplest terms. :wink:

Thank you for sharing this info with us. I like to keep informed. Please allow me to state my alternative point-of-view without being argumentative.

I like the rebel in you. We have seen sparks of that independence, and I respect that. I feel that you are bending to the will of YT. In doing so, I feel that you are sacrificing your art for the sake of commercial success. Please, do not loose that rebellious nature. Perhaps I read too much into the “bonus” vid. I saw it as a step toward the Marina style of vids again. I got my hopes up after that.

At the same time, however, I realize that good business sense often trumps independence. You have the successful channel and web site; I do not. It is a conundrum, and I feel your frustration. I am pulling for you, and I know you have the strength and good sense to ride this thing out. Again, I wish for you continued success and happiness.

Thanks for pointing that out. I wrote this at 2 am and missed that! Corrected :-)

Exactly!

Maybe I’ll include some of it in my weekly update email :-)

I was on that…You are right on Marina. Check out Grammar girl!!!..BIG GIRLS

[rebel]

[effeminate]…bring it on :eek: :smile:

Quit being a bitchassness…’business-slut’ :shock:

I am afraid to have her do this one. I really like the word in its contemporary usage, but its history might encourage me to find a different word. see Antebellum.

Ooh leonard, that is so not what I said. :oops:

along with I and me, who and whom, their and there, its and it’s…

It’s correct either way you word it=effect you’ve written this short notice telling about the affect(ion) that you felt it necessary too inform your forum members.

affection, sorry

Why is it that once anything gets too big, it starts to suck? (I’m speaking of YouTube, not of HFW or speculating that Marina’s march to the top of all lists is diluting the essence of her success.)

Anyway, it’s kind of like those at HFW are avid-learners who connected the dots from YouTube to here. So, as YouTube is the place to recruit new students, obviously Marina has to do what is best to optimize visiblity thereon. However, because YT is behaving like the Teachers Union, class at our school is getting dumbed-down.

Maybe Teacher needs to look into some sort of private school option, an upgrade in other words, within the HFW community. I don’t know what different would be offered–superficial and impossible fantasies aside, my peers–but I’m sure Marina could easily coax a material amount of students to pay for whatever additional education might be going on in a private school setting. Seriously.

shit! Now look who is being a bitchass! Maybe I should cut back on the morning pot of coffee. :roll:

In their attempt to target teenagers, will YT/Google end up with teenage producers — so that YT becomes a nut-house with nuts entertaining nuts?

Right on, bsomebody, right on!. Along with effeminate and feminine too.

For you Marina, it’s a challenge, and an opportunity to step up & be a leader. Earning the respect of teens is probably one of the toughest things you’ve had to do on YouTube… You up for it?
Warren shared this with me a bit ago, thanks WarrenY.

(Are you safe) Miss Gradenko(?) :mrgreen:

affected or effected? {Marina scratches her head, trying to make sense of the nonsensical English language, while rolling her eyes at somebody’s lame attempt at grammatical clarification :roll: . } hmm… OH! impacted.

OH well this is a tough times to find out your toys are someone else tools.

I hear ya’ ChaCha, very appropriate. I think, as far as YT is concerned, it may be time to pick up some desks and throw them through the wall.

But John, just because it is someone else’s tools, it does exclude it from being our toys.

http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/10/23/bear-and-bull-markets/ :roll: Quote
“Basically, I no longer work for anything but the sensation I have while working.” – Albert Giacometti sculptor….cashsration

This is asking a woman to teach a teenage of what, 70-80% male audience whom mindset is “if it wasn’t for what was between her legs there would be a bounty on her ears” about words and their meaning? I suppose she can play a “cougar” for this for a while but average teenagers don’t have that kind of attention, and end up with maybe what a 20% audience? You Tube has in effect cut her off at the knees for awhile, until they change their business model or attitude.

Women In Uniform …

(are you safe)?… Me Lika Do The Cha Cha..Mr.TA…

:smile: Is it gonna [REIGHN] :?: Rain On Your Parade

Thanks for not understanding the meaning of what I wrote.

YouTube Inc is just a bunch of white punks on dope :mrgreen:

I’m a bit confused who you’re talking about. ‘Tend to have..’ Who you referring to?

Oh, don’t mention it. Not understanding is just one of the many services I offer. :roll:

But seriously, don’t mention it. Really, shhhhh. :???:

How is it that your politics can be so bad, yet your music be so good? :roll:

ChaCha=enigma :???:

@Marina,
I don’t know if this applies to your position or not. I have very few rules, and I am about to break one just for you, and I will offer to you some unsolicited advice.

As a teacher in public schools, I often get discouraged when I am unable to reach certain students. The student just does not want to learn nor contribute to class. No matter what I have said or done, I have been totally unsuccessful at reaching these people. I had to take a step back and look at some of my heroes. Dr. King was not able to reach everybody. Gandhi definitely had “mixed reviews,” and not even Jesus has had universal acceptance. If these great people could not reach everybody, then why do I expect that I should do any better?

Marina, even though you are an exceptionally talented person, you cannot please everybody. You have extremely high goals, and I admire you for that, but you are still – here comes the bad news – you are still human. Keep those lofty goals, but realize that you do have limits.

Hey I’ll take it via Morse Code, smoke signals, flashing light, horse stomping, cat calls, radio waves, cute little post it notes, can and string, flares, carrier pigeon. Whatever works for you. I’m flex able and easy.. Oh did I say that out loud? :shock: :mrgreen:

what’s wrong with that?

Does that have anything to do with Seasonal affective disorder (SAD), also known as winter depression or winter blues? Kind of sad pun hu?

Oh that was funny.

I heard that. :grin:

Thanks Bill for putting that up from Warren. That will bring a tear to anyone. Nick the man in the video will inspire anyone.

Good reference! Buddy I’m so there!

I’ve seen a few videos people made about the faults of YT. I know YT is watching them. Yet they go in a different direction. I commented about their stupid waste of time in making pretty icons for some of their little buttons and not working on the user interface. Now I notice they change the funny little icons back to the old look or something to that effect. (Damn there is the word again.) Will they ever learn? Of course not! When you’re #1 you can do whatever you want.

Boy that was so disgusting. It burned holes in my eye. Is it possible to un-see something? :smile:

wiseaguy :wink:

What’s wrong Jack, You Know the Hands that rock the Cradles rule the word, not money.

word/world

Your confuse because this is where I wanted to put the reply not above. Comment from above

You can add ‘ing’ to affect & it sounds OK
but adding ‘ing’ to effect doesn’t sound correct :idea:

because effect is a noun. Nouning is bad; verbing is good.

What politics? Right and wrong? Good and bad? :mrgreen:
Here is a false statement:
Communism is good, Christianity is stupid.
Here is a true statement:
Obama is a gifted orator.
(So was this guy)
What do you stand for?
(not which party or platform – but YOU, as a person) :mrgreen:
Who are you going to allow to do your thinking for you?
Obama? Charlie Manson? Rush Limbaugh?
My best advice is do your own thinking and DO what’s right
(don’t just talk rhetoric and congratulate yourself for your failures by rationalizing that your intentions were good)
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions…
.
Did you hear that Congress and the House are finally going to read the bill they and Obama signed into law? It’s true!
(which means they didn’t read it before they signed it..) :roll:
.
Remember, I voted for the other guy (Sarah Palin) because she has experience as a Governor and a Mayor.
She could have backed up McCain when the Helsinki complex hit and he starts “hand wringing” with indecision.
What we have now is a joke…
Two former state Senators – neither possessing any of the skills necessary to lead our nation.
The proof is coming – wait and see!

{♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ Good good good verbations ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫}

Because people on dope are fucked up in ALL their thinking :mrgreen:
For example: Obama shows he would make a great TV weatherman, because he can read a teleprompter. He sure shiny white teeth, eh? :grin:

Yes. Ignore the warning on dry cleaning bags :mrgreen:

Have some…The Fatal Glass of Beer 1 Grains too

WC Fields: Ping Pong Game :cool: :grin: :lol:
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The internet is becoming one giant [infomercial]

Now I’m really lost. :sad:

Ja Ja Ja! I was not fully awake when I wrote that.

What I was saying was (I) Tend to have an uncanny ability to reduce thoughts to their simplest terms.

But this was not one of those times. :roll:

If anyone can use that word, it’s you! I has faith in you.

LOL. funny.

Compressing thoughts is only good for when you’re thoughts will be uncompressed by your readers that know how to. For example if I where to ask you to tell me how much E i can expect to get out of this pencil if I wanted to extract it? PK and some other students here will know exactly what I’m looking for and I don’t need to write a book to explain it. So one needs to know the level of communication so the reader can understand.

u r still confused :shock:

YouTube shinannigans, enough said! Do whatever you have to in order to survive, teach.

Now I know who did the original before Iron Maiden covered it(doesn’t fit their usual song style). Must check out more Skyhooks videos! :cool:

I still have phantom emails on my YT account. How many more years will it take for the to fix this? Do any of you have this issue?

I hate the voting wait limit. Who is going to wait to vote? Don’t have time when you have a gazillion videos to watch. Damn YT.

I would be interested to read your detailed post Marina.

Hey I have been up for 24 hours now.

:smile: I tend not to get angry or upset about these things. I go with a variety of methods to keep up to the tasks at hand such as doing your best to be aware of what’s going on and then meet a change with some changes of your own, check out old posts from years back on YT to recall where it was at that point then see where it went to. {etc}

Don’t get caught surprised. If you woke up tomorrow, turned on your screen, and the internet was gone, don’t freak out. Don’t allow yourself be shocked and surprised- Go to plan “B” instead.

you can be 15 again, snap bubble gum, download 99cent stuff, and be a brat. geesh, what’s there to complain about?

:cry: only problem is the shamwa dude sucks balls

:razz: shammy up to some shamwow parody:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQcyhBsSjI

:shock: 2am
Such a workaholic, when do you get time in for fun?

:oops: Anger (lol)
:razz: Purrhapps Teechur needz a vakashun frum uz unrooly stoodents:

:lol: Hey, that’s okay CaptainJack. Let your freak flag fly free! Woo Hoo!!! I know I do!

Thanks for making my point “You Tube has in effect cut her off at the knees for awhile”… altough I’m not quite sure of your point. Last time I checked at least 1/2 the teen population is female (girls).
Note quite sure what you meant on the 70-80% thing, with the bounty business.
Nothing wrong with & I think it’s a good thing for Marina to do, rethinking her strategies from time to time & you know what… she will find that the people who respect her & what she does are more valuable than numbers or money…
I’ve raised three teens & they’ve gone through the same school with a lot of the same teachers. Very few of the teachers earned their respect. The ones that did, are much loved & remembered. One of them was even invited to my son’s wedding & it was great to have him & his wife there.

I can appreciate your position, though I have to say that some of the changes you’ve made in response to this situation may possibly be losing you some following from older people (such as myself). I am not really interested in nerd words and rubbish like that, pretty as the teacher may well be! So I have been being quite selective about the videos I view lately.

Nick

Webb Wilder – Hybrid Vigor
What’s Got Wrong With You?
(abridged lyrics)

Somehow I got the notion
We gave a thing in motion
Now you say it’s history
Was it somethin’ I said?
Was it all in my head?
Child, you’re such a mystery
Oh….and I ain’t got a clue
What’s got wrong with you?

You used to fill my cup
I couldn’t get enough
Now the well is so dry
It was so satisfyin’
Now I’m cryin’
My love’s been coming up snake eyes
Oh…like a bolt fell out of the blue
What’s got wrong with you?

I tried to win you over
Called the Teleflora
Man said save your money
Everybody I meet up and down
Is looking at me funny
Oh…won’t you let me in on it too?
What’s got wrong with you?

I thought we couldn’t lose
Things were rolling smooth
But you had to monkey with it
Now my nerves are shot
My motor’s runnin’ hot
And I don’t know how to fix it
Oh….tell me what I didn’t do
What’s got wrong with you?

Awwww…..

Marina – You gotta learn to Work hard, Eat hard, Rock hard, Grow big and Wear glasses if you need ‘em.
Webb Wilder Credo – tips for teens

I love you, even though you’re going insane :oops:

Marina:
The cogency of your students’ comments suggests a more
mature group than the usual teener Twitter.

Flex as needed but don’t destroy the product and your drive.

I pay for cartoon work I favor. I would buy a subscription to your lively repartee.

Please share your detailed report to YT. Even employees (if you are hooked) can and should speak up. y

WOW :shock: That was something to see Billy. That man is a true fighter. No need for anyone to fell sorry for themselves after seeing that. THANKS FOR PUTTING THAT ON

:lol: Let it rain solid gold bars :!:

Here you go Sir & UP THE IRONS!!! :arrow:

I agree.

My God…I hope someday I become the man he is.

Thanks BillyB.

:mrgreen: I found something on practical wisdom, the Latin word PHRONESIS for teacher inspiration :arrow:
http://www.she-philosopher.com/ib/topics/phronesis.html

re: “… phantom emails on my YT account.”

What is a phantom email? Please explain.
My incoming and outgoing *YT messages* are normal. I don’t have any issues. Also, there are different categories of YT messages (Shared, Comments, Friend Invites, etc), all of which are fine.

My YT messages are forwarded to my email account all of which is also working.

Have to agree with the current state of YouTubesphere, and yet they are only the top dawg of the video forums. vidder does a fine job of the whole thing as well, between the two perhaps even a broader audience may be catered too

Lucy will set the ball up again… just watch her :mrgreen:
I still don’t get when the right time to use “Mr Green” is. Am I too old to understand Mr Green’s job description.

:evil: Now I’m angry. I wouldn’t dumb down for anyone- what the hell! That’s such bullshit! Anyway, the broader audience wants to be treated as intelligent adults who can decide and make up their own mind on what they want for themselves, not manipulated into believing they’re sod sucking baby mouths who have to be toddler fed swill from the tit of some hannah montana bubble gum mugging dumb mucking culture clone disposable braindead following… Argggh! This is SO WRONG!

Sure, a synthetic drug dumbdowned version of a reality may be imposed upon the most gulible, but those of the literati will speak up in defense for intelligence. It’s a matter of pride, and call us elitists if you must for honor is also a positive intellectual trait which helps to define well informed social groups that do not find it neccessary to hop onto a sinking ship that’s going nowhere quick. More are becoming aware, growing in numbers, and rank.

I had to check back in my history & had to go by memory. You didn’t send it did you. I deleted a bunch of my history, along with 1/2 my memory :roll: (i must defrag my head)

I would sooner disconnect from all forms of nonsense and compose libraries of knowledge by tracing my index finger across the open skies.

I say fuck YouTube! I don’t even know what appeals to the younger generation. Does that mean they are trying to make their website even dumber and more spoiled? I didn’t even like how it was in high school.

My first thoughts exactly. :?:

Mr. Green: :mrgreen:

A cute green smiley that is a basic staple to all phpbb forum emoticons. It is green, rather than yellow, and displays a huge toothy grin, expressing a large amount of happiness.*

I had to look it up once, I use it to express satisfaction & happiness because I just made a funny. (joke)

*Urban Dictionary.com

Phantom of the Opera e-mails! Bwaaha!! (swishes cape)

thanks, I’m happy you told me. some how I thought it had a little to do with envy, being green ‘n all

[explicated] :roll:

As fine a rant as ever I saw. :lol:

I’m having the same issues as that guy in the YT video that Marina posted in the forums. I think it was part two of his ‘whats wrong with YT rant’ …

Yeah I read every message and yet it say I now have on unread message. Used to be like 7 or 8 of them. Also when I read them they still show up as unread for about 2 days.

Yeah I have forwarding on but not subscriptions.

YouTube needs to clean up it’s act, and stop allowing so much filth as ‘comments’. It seems to be run by a bunch of wet behind the ear slobs since it changed hands.

You Tube should present it’s side of why it’s taking this course of action.

Here’s the point right here in your own words “Very few of the teachers earned their respect”(teachers are due respect regardless if they earned it from their students or not) And Marina’s audience is composed of mostly male and wanna be males. I agree “she will find that the people who respect her & what she does are more valuable than numbers or money” but I wouldn’t want to be putting those words in her mouth for her, you might lose a finger or two.

That’s an obscene gesture? :smile: :smile:

ha ha , got a dumb dog, want a smart dog? get a dumber dog too go along with the dumb dog.

When I say young.. I mean teenagers.

When you say teenagers, do you mean young boys?
Who is your new boss? Michael Jackson? :roll:

No I didn’t send it to you. I showed this to my wife and she said she saw him on Oprah. She said it was a compelling story. That he had the whole audience in tears and in happiness. I saved it to my favorites so if I have a bad day I can watch his videos as he has more of them listed and let them brighten my day. :smile:

wake up, mr. green.

I don’t want any of your bitchassness, ya digg?
That’s one example. (what a stupid word though!)
I’ll bear with, no problem. Just as long as you take care to teach me something with every video. And that you do!
So why threat? You’re not gonna loose any subscribers over this, I am sure. Anyway, this too shall pass. Either that, or epic fail for YouTube. If that happens we can always just use another awesome site. There are plenty! :-)

Words go only so far and new meanings take over… you are cool bsomebody :wink:

(“teachers are due respect regardless if they earned it from their students or not”)… Why?

I think they are listening to our new president. Everyone wants change. Well change is not always good but we will get through it. I miss your old videos but you still teach in these so it is all good. I will still watch you and learn. You know they always say “Don’t sweat the small stuff” this will pass and things will get back to normal. :roll: :wink:

BillyB says:
20.1.1.1.1
March 27, 2009 at 10:40 pm

(“teachers are due respect regardless if they earned it from their students or not”)… Why?

I don’t think i will even take the time necessary to explain this too you. (enough said?)

I think I know where you were trying to go with this. The position of teacher, is due respect, but the teachers themselves must earn that respect from kids. Face it, some teachers suck at filling the role of a teacher & no one can fool most kids into faking respect. False respect is almost worse than disrespect, right?

I think the new videos are great and the long introduction was quite boring. Btw. I’m almost 30.

:lol:

…check this sh*t out

The Bastard Fairies-We’re All Going To Hell (Official Video)…why are the robins attacking my windows?…cardinal is high in tree :wink: tubes are tyering :roll:

Gomorrah trailer